Brady Bunch Sues NJ to start Smart Gun Law

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

Brady Bunch is suing NJ, saying that the NJ Attorney General has not started the clock on our Smart Gun Law.....

 

This afternoon, the Brady Campaign and the Million Mom March (Mercer County Chapter) announced that they are filing a lawsuit to force the New Jersey Attorney General to formally report on the public availability of so-called “smart guns.”  The lawsuit is intended to trigger New Jersey’s 2002 smart gun law, which could eventually outlaw the transfer of handguns that do not incorporate the technology.

 “New Jersey’s smart-gun law is a dumb as it gets,” said ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach. “It forces you to use an unproven technology to defend your life, and then exempts the state from liability when the gun goes ‘click’ instead of ‘bang.’ If it’s such a great idea, then law enforcement shouldn’t be exempt, and the free market should be able to determine its viability.  ANJRPC will spare no effort or expense to prevent this gun ban from going into effect.”

 There will be a media frenzy covering this event.  The first stories available online as this alert was prepared include the following:

http://www.northjersey.com/news/new-jersey-sued-accused-of-ignoring-2002-gun-law-1.1019058

http://www.nbc40.net/story/25555423/new-jersey-sued-accused-of-ignoring-02-gun-law

http://yubanet.com/usa/Brady-Campaign-Sues-New-Jersey-Over-Smart-Gun-Law.php#.U3pPa7E8EaN

ANJRPC will provide additional details when they are available.

 

http://www.pagunblog.com/2014/05/19/brady-center-sues-to-implement-nj-smart-gun-law/

[Silence Dogood 468]

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/05/gun_control_groups_file_lawsuit_to_force_nj_attorney_general_to_report_on_smart_guns.html#incart_most-comments

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

It's like they smell blood in the water!

[gunguy1960 2]

Law enforcement should lead the way for a 3 year trial period.

[Silence Dogood 468]

This will be interesting since SCOTUS has essentially ruled this sort of requirement unconstitutional. The NJAG's office will be in the position of either complying (unconstitutionally) or actually interpreting the law as unconstitutional in the post-Heller world:

 

3. The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. [**2787] The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home [bold]amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense[/bold]. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition — in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute — would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, [bold]the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense[/bold]and is hence unconstitutional.

[Kadayo 39]

The Armatix pistol is only available in one caliber (.22lr) and it does not recognize the owner of the weapon. It recognizes a wrist watch that anyone including a thief or a child could wear. This does not meet  NJ's definition of a smart gun.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

This will be interesting since SCOTUS has essentially ruled this sort of requirement unconstitutional. The NJAG's office will be in the position of either complying (unconstitutionally) or actually interpreting the law as unconstitutional in the post-Heller world:

 

3. The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. [**2787] The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home [bold]amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense[/bold]. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition — in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute — would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, [bold]the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense[/bold]and is hence unconstitutional.

 

heh....you actually think anybody cares what SCOTUS ruled in Heller/McDonald?  Or that a law 'might' be unconstitutional?

 

There have been a few cases that tried to break 'safe-storage' laws, based on Heller.....all failed......Assault Weapon Bans.....fought based on 'common usage'....failed......

[Newtonian 453]

If this goes into effect I will buy 10 more guns over the next three years, and zero for my remaining time on earth. 

 

Got to get the message to dealers that they have three years more to stay in business.

 

Got to vote these scumbags out. We can do it if we got out and voted. The parasites don't vote. They're too busy looking in the mail for their free stuff. VOTE. 

[HBecwithFn7 296]

If this goes into effect I will buy 10 more guns over the next three years, and zero for my remaining time on earth. 

 

Got to get the message to dealers that they have three years more to stay in business.

 

Got to vote these scumbags out. We can do it if we got out and voted. The parasites don't vote. They're too busy looking in the mail for their free stuff. VOTE. 

 

I hear ya man.  But, as Deer Slayer said, my guys are the good guys! I'm also in district 24.   We need to get the people in the "bad" districts to vote (for *their* good guys)!

[intercooler 41]

if you are in the "good guys" district 24...you NEED to make sure you donate since our reps will eventually be overwhelmed by the $ from outsiders

 

the suit about smart guns just might backfire on them too...I say bring it on..the sooner the better

[jackandjill 683]

NJ AG should:

 

1. Declare the smart gun law violates SC ruling in Heller / McDonald

2. Clarify that "self defense" fits justifiable need definition

 

Loretta Weinberg knows this wont stand in court (atleast in SC as it stands) and rather "compromise" now than have all of it thrown out.

 

I say let them take this to court. What starts in NJ doesnt stop here, the decease will try to spread to other parts. We should all (including NRA) should fight it on its home ground than waiting until it spreads.

[peppers 1]

the only smart gun is the one in a trained shooters hand.

 

but anyway I'm not buying that crap. if I'm not home and someone tries to get in my house or do harm to my family how are they supposed to defend themselves?

i say since we give away money to anything we don't need anyway why not have the feds buy a bunch of these and give to cops in newark, trenton, camden, dc, chicago, detroit, etc and do a test run. i bet they run out of living cops before they get positive results.

[n4p226r 105]

How does a private group have the rights to use a state for not enforcing a law? Can a church sue a state for not enforcing anti sodemy laws or something equally dumb?

[Geek 4]

They can sue, but whether they will win is another question.

[mipafox 438]

They can sue, but whether they will win is another question.

What is their standing?

[DeerSlayer 241]

I say let them waste their money with a lawsuit. The Heller/McDonald ruling is very clear on banning any firearm in common use. Their wasting their time trying to have an unconstitutional law enacted.

[D. Stallone 1]

I say, the courts hear them but don`t listen. I`m still trying to figure out their logic behind it...wait, I just used a word most anti 2A groups don`t know...

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

I say let them waste their money with a lawsuit. The Heller/McDonald ruling is very clear on banning any firearm in common use. Their wasting their time trying to have an unconstitutional law enacted.

Heh....Courts held up NY Safe Act regardless of the 'common use' as ruled in Heller/McDonald....

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

Got to vote these scumbags out. We can do it if we got out and voted. The parasites don't vote. They're too busy looking in the mail for their free stuff. VOTE.

Voting.....people do vote, but not with the 2A in mind....look at this past November, all the haters cruised right back into office without a hiccup. If THAT wasn't a wake up call on the state affairs in NJ regarding gun rights, nothing will be.

[Newtonian 453]

Voting.....people do vote, but not with the 2A in mind....look at this past November, all the haters cruised right back into office without a hiccup. If THAT wasn't a wake up call on the state affairs in NJ regarding gun rights, nothing will be.

WRONG WRONG WRONG.

 

Look at my previous posts. I've done the analysis and the math. There are 6-8 competitive districts. Voter participation is in the 20% range. We are 1 million strong. We could, by ourselves, vote them out. Problem is the defeatist attitude that thinks there's no point in voting. True if you're talking about the presidential elections, but not for legislative elections.

 

VOTE.

[Newtonian 453]

I hear ya man.  But, as Deer Slayer said, my guys are the good guys! I'm also in district 24.   We need to get the people in the "bad" districts to vote (for *their* good guys)!

Well let's get off our asses, beginning next year, and start getting the vote out. Let's go to the ranges and the gun shops. Let's do anything we can to get shooters and their families to vote. We can do it. WE CAN DO IT. The freaking low lives are not going to vote, but we can.

[Geek 4]

Not having standing is one way to lose.

[Underdog 1,593]

We should just donate to a new tax exempt organization that arms welfare recipients and contribute to companies that promote solar-powered or flourescent tube black rifles.

[DeerSlayer 241]

Well let's get off our asses, beginning next year, and start getting the vote out. Let's go to the ranges and the gun shops. Let's do anything we can to get shooters and their families to vote. We can do it. WE CAN DO IT. The freaking low lives are not going to vote, but we can.

No the problem is the low lives do vote. They vote to continue the handouts. They leftist machine sends busses to pick them up and bring them to the poles, instructing them what lever to pull. The elderly and the wealthy also vote. Its the idiots in the middle (probably us) that don't vote.

[DeerSlayer 241]

Ohh and the Union's vote also they give election day off! I used to be in local 14/24. I know exactly how those scumbags operate as well.

[mipafox 438]

You guys have people right here, on this very forum, voting for the wrong people and they know it.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

VOTE.

Best chuckle all day......we all knew which districts were competitive, yet where is this mythical 'gun vote' in NJ? Sweeney was in a tight spot, so what happened?

 

And to top it off, it's been discussed and admitted on this very forum, by 'gun owners', that 2A rights are at the BOTTOM of the list of issues they vote upon.

 

At of the mythical '1 million strong' gun owners in NJ, there is probably less than 5k who vote based on 2A concerns.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

You guys have people right here, on this very forum, voting for the wrong people and they know it.

And they proudly admit it.

[njpilot 671]

You guys have people right here, on this very forum, voting for the wrong people and they know it.

Yep. Big problem right there.

[quikz 34]

Yet another 'Throw everything at the Wall and see what stick.' left wing extremist liberal tactic. They prefer to dismantle this and any country they disagree with, all the while, wrapping themselves in the U.S. flag.