Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 I'm wondering from the Leo on here will I be penalized for cleanly pinning brakes. I'd like to pin em but make em look clean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted January 30, 2015 Yes. -5 demerits. May god have mercy on your soul. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted January 30, 2015 First, your title says welding, your discription says pinning, big difference. Welding or pinning? Two, as long as the owner is still in your presence. I don't see the harm in helping a friend out. Doing it for money, now your a business and I'm sure you know the rules on that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted January 30, 2015 Bait ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lalo 13 Posted January 30, 2015 Are you doing the work at a location where you have other components available to make a complete evil death machine? If not, you're just welding two chunks of metal together. I'm sure I'll come back later to see this thread reach 10+ pages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 Yea everything is legal But I want to make it seems like it's factory installed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted January 30, 2015 Nice Shawn...Another BS thread! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 Not really. The law is perm attached. I'm n the trades and could do this work no prob. I do it now but am forced to leave a sign. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 Last night Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 Just got off phone with njsp. They said their is no set standard to how it's permanently attached but if I attach a letter from the ffl it's fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rightisright 3 Posted January 30, 2015 Surely you don't have the other parts to assemble a complete AR on hand or you wouldn't have posted that picture for the world to see, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 With an ffl I think I'm okz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 I was looking for Leo opinion. I want to perfect making it look like it was never pinned. I'll have a union painter spray it on the way to to finish it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted January 30, 2015 I am confused. Did someone takeover S81 account and posting spam or is this him ? Since when "leaving a trace of brake job" come into picture become cause for concern ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 I don't want a customer getting in trouble for not having a visibly pinned brake Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 In 2014 2 of my guns went though prosecutors offices. One in north jersey and one in Camden county. The Camden county one involved Nappen and had to actually be fought Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 Both were due to restraining orders. Not because of the gun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted January 30, 2015 If you dont mind, "your" guns or your customer guns that specific job was done on ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 I build ar's. A lot of em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 But when it involves ro's I won't say who they are. Not my job to say that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted January 30, 2015 https://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf On barrels that are already 16" you are probably fine following NJ guidelines alone. However, I'm pretty sure that if you are permanently attaching a brake on a < 16" in order to make the 16" requirement for a rifle as designated by federal law it is more specific in approved methods than just making "permanent". The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100°F) silver soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over. Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and measured. https://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf I am sure someone more versed in this than me will be along shortly to verify or correct me. Are you an FFL holder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted January 30, 2015 This is unclear to me. Shawn - You have a FFL? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 Yes but it can't be talked about on here. The other ffl' throw a fit to the mods Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted January 30, 2015 If he's not an 07 FFL holder and paying the 11% FET he may want to take this thread down. But you know he won't, he thrives on drama. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 No it's legit. But mods on here giver crap Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted January 30, 2015 I just don't get it lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 30, 2015 Get ehay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted January 30, 2015 Yes but it can't be talked about on here. The other ffl' throw a fit to the mods So of course you find a way to being it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rightisright 3 Posted January 30, 2015 My head hurts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
