Some info for new reloaders.

[almiz111 26]

Just passing this on to new reloaders.

I have done maybe 4,500 cartridges in 40, 223 , 308W and 762x39.

Only to find out that I still had a lot to learn.

 

My Rock River AR has a Wylde chamber that is +0.005 and I was crunching brass to maybe -0.005. Bad news. These were floating around in the chamber punishing the brass and just waiting to separate. I had two split open and then noticed the tell tale stress ring on others. Also was taking brass to 8, 9, 10 reloads, probably  too many.

 

Moral of the story. Get yourself some case gauges and especially some RCBS headspace mics and you can figure out what you are really doing. 

 

If you are doing a bolt gun you still need to pay attention to this stuff.  

 

Merry Christmas. Luckily I still have 10 good fingers.

 

 

 

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[fatty 241]

Thanks for the info and glad you're OK.

 

What do you need to do differently when reloading a for wylde chamber? What dimension are you referring to as +/-0.005"? Is that COL?

 

I have an RRA 223 wylde setup as well that id to reload for

 

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[Old School 611]

Just passing this on to new reloaders.

I have done maybe 4,500 cartridges in 40, 223 , 308W and 762x39.

Only to find out that I still had a lot to learn.

 

My Rock River AR has a Wylde chamber that is +0.005 and I was crunching brass to maybe -0.005. Bad news. These were floating around in the chamber punishing the brass and just waiting to separate. I had two split open and then noticed the tell tale stress ring on others. Also was taking brass to 8, 9, 10 reloads, probably  too many.

 

Moral of the story. Get yourself some case gauges and especially some RCBS headspace mics and you can figure out what you are really doing. 

 

If you are doing a bolt gun you still need to pay attention to this stuff.  

 

Merry Christmas. Luckily I still have 10 good fingers.

 

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OK so yes you misunderstand what is going on.

Do some reading and you will see that the reloading process for the Wylde variation is no different than for a 223 Rem chamber.

The difference in the Wylde chamber is in the throat of the chamber and has nothing to do with headspace.

 

Yes always use a L.E. Wilson Case Length Headspace Gauge or similar to both set your sizing die and check your case length.

 

From your picture you appear to have excessive headspace or you are WAY oversizing which with most dies is unlikely.

 

Get the gauge, and check your cases after sizing.  You can also check a fired case in the gauge and it will give you an idea of your headspace.

 

PM and I'll help you sort out your issues.

 

Headspace mic...ahh I don't know.  Use the Wilson gauge.

[almiz111 26]

Yes you are correct. Should not have even mentioned Wylde.

 

I do use Dillon and/or Wilson gauges. The RCBS mic does this-  It directly gives you (reads out) the actual headspace of a cartridge.

 

I was oversizing - making the cartridge headspace too short. But too short for my rifle chamber. That is another point - handloads  need to be made for a specific  chamber size in a specific rifle. I would never shoot anybody else's reloads in my rifle.

 

I have another issue with the precision or lack thereof of my single stage press and die. I'll PM you.

 

Thanks.  

[carl_g 568]

I don't understand. I resize all my .223 brass then trim to 1.750. That is standard from everything I have read. After all the brass prep the cases get run thru a Wilson case gauge. Your charge is similar to mine with h335. I run 25grs with a 55 gr FMJBT with cannelure. COAL is 2.250 or so which brings it to mid cannelure. My velocities and accuracy have been good. Am I doing something wrong or missing anything in my process?

Thanks.

[Golf battery 1,223]

This thread makes no sense to me. Whats the moral of the story. ????

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Yeah I'm confused... And you can make standard reloads for any rifle. Just follow the min/max load data.

 

The .223 data will work in ANY chamber .223 through .556 and every special chamber between regardless of make and model.

[carl_g 568]

Yeah I'm confused... And you can make standard reloads for any rifle. Just follow the min/max load data.

 

The .223 data will work in ANY chamber .223 through .556 and every special chamber between regardless of make and model.

Yea that was my confusion also... as long as you follow spec you should be able to use the rounds safely regardless if it is your rifle or someone else's. Right?

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Yea that was my confusion also... as long as you follow spec you should be able to use the rounds safely regardless if it is your rifle or someone else's. Right?

Correct, which is the entire point in using a case gauge. If it fits... It shoots.

 

The only thing customizing your rounds to you rifle does is increase accuracy, shouldn't effect it's usability in other rifles unless you went over max.

[raz-0 1,259]

This thread makes no sense to me. Whats the moral of the story. ????

 

I'm going to ignore the majority of the thread and say the moral of the story is don't reload .223 8-10 times while loading to near max book pressure of 50,000 CUP (the load according to hodgdon is 49,500 CUP).  Lets see. .223 brass is under $0.09 a piece once fired. Shoot it 5 times and it is less than $0.02 each use. Do you really need to get it down to $0.01 or less? 

 

The brass got fatigued, load it less times, no blow up. You can make it fit the case gauge all you want, but if you have repeatedly lengthened it and keep cutting off the top to reach that number, something is getting thin and going to give out. This seems to be a salient point yet to be made in this thread. 

[Golf battery 1,223]

Now that i can understand. It was the whole wydle chamber thing that i thought i was missing something.

[Eric. 9]

I'm going to ignore the majority of the thread and say the moral of the story is don't reload .223 8-10 times while loading to near max book pressure of 50,000 CUP (the load according to hodgdon is 49,500 CUP).  Lets see. .223 brass is under $0.09 a piece once fired. Shoot it 5 times and it is less than $0.02 each use. Do you really need to get it down to $0.01 or less? 

 

The brass got fatigued, load it less times, no blow up. You can make it fit the case gauge all you want, but if you have repeatedly lengthened it and keep cutting off the top to reach that number, something is getting thin and going to give out. This seems to be a salient point yet to be made in this thread. 

raz-0, I'm with you.  By the time I reload 223 brass that comes out of my #3 marked Folgers coffee can/Case storage apparatus, its...done...

 

23.5 gr of H336 shooting a 68gr pill ain't exactly an "over max pressure" load.  I would doubt the OP is getting loose primers, let alone, case failure like that,on a regular basis.