Conflicting recipes

[zeenon 0]

So I'm looking to reload a box or two of .357 for my wifes S&W 686.

 

Nice thing is (at least in my mind) the bullets I get can be used in .38 special brass also. So I go hunting online for some Sierra 125 gr JHC/JHP with no luck, so I pull out the Lyman book (now I know why you buy a few) to see if I can try out another brand.

 

Same primers CCI 550 ok

Same powder Blue Dot ok

 

But the Sierra book lists 14.4 gr @ 1400 fps and I can go higher(Sierra bullets), the Lyman lists 13.3 gr @ 1402 AS THE MAX LOAD (Hornady bullets). The OAL is .005 diff.

 

So if I loaded 14 gr I would be well over the max load according to the Lyman book. Why is that?

 

Z

[Maksim 1,504]

I dont load 38 spc/357... so wait for tim to chime in.

 

The lee book also is more conservative. It may depend on the type of bullets, lead or fmj.

 

try the hodgdon manual online on their site.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

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[zeenon 0]

Hmmm, anyone have the Hornady "Handbook of Cartridge Reloading: 7th Edition" Reloading Manual?

 

I'm curious what that says? I might pick this one up also next time I order some stuff.

 

Z

[zeenon 0]

GOOD INFO, so 125gr bullets are out of the question when used with Blue Dot.

 

I'll go with the 158gr, still interested if anyone has the Hornady info for a 158gr bullet. I'd like to know if the data matches the Sierra book or Lyman book more.

 

Z

[Old School 611]

So I'm looking to reload a box or two of .357 for my wifes S&W 686.

 

Nice thing is (at least in my mind) the bullets I get can be used in .38 special brass also. So I go hunting online for some Sierra 125 gr JHC/JHP with no luck, so I pull out the Lyman book (now I know why you buy a few) to see if I can try out another brand.

 

Same primers CCI 550 ok

Same powder Blue Dot ok

 

But the Sierra book lists 14.4 gr @ 1400 fps and I can go higher(Sierra bullets), the Lyman lists 13.3 gr @ 1402 AS THE MAX LOAD (Hornady bullets). The OAL is .005 diff.

 

So if I loaded 14 gr I would be well over the max load according to the Lyman book. Why is that?

 

Z

 

 

OK let's look at the variables. Air space in the case? Were they using the same cases? Different case volumns? Different test barrels? Don't get crazy...

Start at the lowest level and work up. Understand these Recipies are not a "how too" absolute. They are a guide and starting point. You need to watch for pressure signs and spend a $100 and buy a chrono. It will open your eyes, it did for me. If you want me to chrono your stuff let me know.

[Greydaddy 2]

My 4th edition Hornady, for 125 gr. HP/XTP or FP/XTP has the starting charge of Blue Dot at 13.7 grs. for 1450 fps, up to max of 14.6 for 1600 fps.

[Greydaddy 2]

For the 158 gr., starting at 10.5 to 11.4 for 1450 fps.

[matt6669 71]

And just to add to the fun, speer lists a 125gr GDHP at starting at 11.5 for bluedot and only going up to 13 for max

 

Happy reloading

[Blackfox 1]

So I'm looking to reload a box or two of .357 for my wifes S&W 686.

 

Nice thing is (at least in my mind) the bullets I get can be used in .38 special brass also. So I go hunting online for some Sierra 125 gr JHC/JHP with no luck, so I pull out the Lyman book (now I know why you buy a few) to see if I can try out another brand.

 

Same primers CCI 550 ok

Same powder Blue Dot ok

 

But the Sierra book lists 14.4 gr @ 1400 fps and I can go higher(Sierra bullets), the Lyman lists 13.3 gr @ 1402 AS THE MAX LOAD (Hornady bullets). The OAL is .005 diff.

 

So if I loaded 14 gr I would be well over the max load according to the Lyman book. Why is that?

 

Z

 

 

Check this, I have never used Blue dot.

 

http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/20 ... ot-powder/

[tbtrout 141]

This is the reason for having more than one manual. There are variables for every recipe. Gun used, primer, lot # of the same powder, manufacturers bullet, temperatures etc. The good news is they are all conservative thanks too Lawyers. The thing to keep in mind when loading revolvers is barrel length. A lighter starting load in one manual may be from a 3 in barrel and be fine, where in a 6 in barrel may be a squib. All part of the learning curve. Read the manuals and ask questons.

[Wolfy 51]

zeenon the Hornady manual does not list Blue Dot.