Sen Lautenmummy to introduce bill to ban *high capacity* clips

[bry@n 195]

this isn't just about NJ. He is looking to pass this in the senate.

[kenw 293]

Even though we havn't seen the legislation, you can bet they won't be grandfathered. You would have to get rid of them, destroy them or have them permanently modified to only accept 10 rounds.

... or 5, or 2, or whatever they think they can get through the legislative process.

 

It isn't about the California-ization of our current laws, it's about discouraging and eventually eliminationg any type of gun ownership whatsoever. So, whatever they can do to stop what little momentum we manage to gain, that's their target number.

 

As tragic as the Arizona shooting was, the antis are privately jumping for joy at the opportunity to stick their thumbs in the eyes of SCOTUS and their recent pro 2A rulings.

 

I would seriously doubt this would pass the legislature and if it does, I do not see Christie signing it into law.

Really?? The threat of 500 gun owners not voting for him when he runs again won't be enough to curb his pen hand?

 

Voters have short memories, and even if it came back to bite him later, his response will be that it was to prevent another Arizona type shooting from taking place in NJ.

[mikelets456 78]

http://www.app.com/article/20110110/NEWS03/110110276/Sen-Lautenberg-urges-ban-on-clips-linked-to-shooting

 

A longtime Senate gun control advocate announced plans Monday to introduce legislation banning high-capacity ammunition clips

 

Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said he would introduce the measure to re-establish a prohibition that lapsed in 2004 on clips that feed more than 10 rounds at a time.

 

Lautenberg said in his statement that the clips like the one alleged assailant Jared Loughner is said to have used were banned from 1994-2004.

 

Democrats have been the principal supporters of such legislation, but given the complicated political terrain, their attempts have waned in recent years. Republicans, who now control the House, have generally opposed such measures.

 

 

Is this guy still coherent? Can someone PLEASE stop this madness!?

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

I would seriously doubt this would pass the legislature and if it does, I do not see Christie signing it into law.

 

This is on the national level. Obama would sign it.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

So...what's being done about this?

 

When the time comes, we'll have to be prepared to write letters and make phone calls.

[Shane45 807]

It wouldn't be too bad.

 

If 30rders were legal, then going down to 10rds would be really crappy. But it's only 5rds. Even on AK/Saiga/Ar mags, some of us have already blocked them 15/30 so you could just block them 10/30.

 

Yes, I know it's moreso about us standing tall for our rights of 15rders, nonetheless anything higher, but if it were to happen, so what?

 

There's not much you can do after that, just buy double the amount of mags that's all

 

 

ARE YOU FREEKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

ARE YOU FREEKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!

 

A closet Lautenmummy supporter.

[kenw 293]

This is on the national level. Obama would sign it.

Yeah, but you can bet your progeny that we're gonna see similar legislation proposed here in NJ.

[bry@n 195]

Yeah, but you can bet your progeny that we're gonna see similar legislation proposed here in NJ.

 

It wouldn't matter. National would trumop NJ if it was passed anyway. Too bad, he will try to get it passed in NJ first.

[walker 0]

It's up to us as voters to stand up to our representitives. I have already written my representitives and told them that this situation is tragic bit it is not an opportunity to push personal agendas and if they support lautenjerk I will vote against them in the next election. Tell the politicians where you stand.

This is about loosing more rights it is not about 5 rounds. Failing to stand up and make noise is as bad as voting for it. It only takes a few minutes to write an email.

 

+1 I'm in!!!

[walker 0]

This might be a more stupid (even rhetorical) question...but what's the NRA doin about this?

[mikeyboyeee 66]

This will NEVER get past the House now.

[PeteF 1,044]

Is this guy still coherent? Can someone PLEASE stop this madness!?

 

He never was coherent, just a drooling idiot. I think his nurse must have had the day off.

[Greydaddy 2]

Are clips the thingys you put in the automatic weapon and then pull the trigger and spray and fire, as Diane Feinstein says?

[mipafox 438]

This is proof he knows Az was not a politically motivated shooting. Because he clearly has no idea what would happen in the remote chance some law like this was passed.

[Pew Pew Plates 358]

No, I think its the shoulder thing that goes up. Lets make em illegal!

[DngrZne 0]

Palin should put a "target" on Lautendouche...

[BRN169 6]

Just a thought… What is funny is that from the reports it sounds as though this nimrod was using aftermarket magazines. If this is true, if he was using the non-drop-free 33rnd mags they saved lives... How you ask?

 

He would need to use his free hand to remove the spent mag from the weapon before grabbing the next full mag. A factory magazine would have been more reliable meaning there would have been little chance of a FTF. Using even factory 10rnd drop free magazines the off-hand would be retrieving the next full mag as the shooting hand was dropping the spent mag. Magazine changes would have been much faster and he most likely would not have been taken down until he was out of ammunition of someone returned fire.

[BRN169 6]

For all those chattering about your 10+ round mags and no grandfather provision... Here is a little blast from the past for you. They almost had their a** handed to them then but they wisely chose not to challenge the decision out of fear the State Supreme Court would have affirmed the decision and the whole law would have been toast state wide...

 

Gun Ban Struck Down as "Unconstitutional"

96-02-28 10:23:19 EST

 

For Immediate Release For More Information:

February 27, 1996 NRA Public Affairs

(703) 267-3820

 

Gun Ban Praised by President Clinton

Struck Down as "Unconstitutional"

 

"[W]e need a national law to do what New Jersey has

done here with the assault weapons (sic).... egin

with guns, and prove that we can do in America what you

are doing here in New Jersey."

 

-- President Bill Clinton

October 8, 1993

 

The model for the 1994 Clinton Gun Ban was struck down in New

Jersey yesterday on constitutional grounds. The Superior Court

of New Jersey found the gun and magazine ban unconstitutionally

vague and a violation of due process rights.

 

"NRA has argued for years that gun bans violate basic civil

rights and draw distinctions where distinctions don't exist,"

said Mrs. Tanya K. Metaksa, Executive Director of the National

Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA).

"A Superior Court concurs with NRA -- a Superior Court in New

Jersey, the factory floor of the Clinton Gun Ban."

 

In State of New Jersey vs. Robert D. Merrill, the court

dismissed the gun possession charge as unconstitutional. The

Florio Gun Ban prohibits a list of named firearms (including

"Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms," for example)

and those substantially identical" to the named guns.

 

Similarly, the Clinton Gun Ban prohibits a list of named firearms

(those "known as" the "avtomat Kalashnikov," for example)

together with "copies or duplicates." Merrill possessed a Norinco

MAK-90, a semiautomatic rifle with Kalashnikov

action. The prosecutor charged that Merrill was guilty of

possessing a banned gun, arguing that MAK-90 was "substantially

identical" to guns banned by name.

 

The Court said:

 

"How is this Defendant or any defendant to know if his

firearm is 'substantially identical' unless he is intimately

familiar with the nomenclature of the 37 other weapons?

This is an impossibility and a task which the law cannot

require.... To prohibit substantially identical' firearms

is an unconstitutionally vague approach which cannot be

countenanced (emphasis added)."

 

The court dismissed the charge of unlawful possession of a

magazine in excess of fifteen rounds, because the law violated

due process and ex post facto protections. In short, when then-

Governor Florio signed the ban, law-abiding owners of proscribed

magazines unavoidably became criminals, whether they kept the

magazines or disposed of them.

 

"Gun bans don't deter crime," said Mrs. Metaksa. "Gun bans

create criminals out of honest, law-abiding citizens."

 

-- nra --

 

=+=+=+=+

This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle

Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA.

 

This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is

available at any of the following URL's: http://WWW.NRA.Org,

gopher://GOPHER.NRA.Org, wais://WAIS.NRA.Org, ftp://FTP.NRA.Org,

mailto:[email protected] (Send the word help as the body of a

message)

 

__________________________________________________ _____________

 

STATE OF NEW JERSEY, SUPERIOR COURT OF NEW JERSEY

Plaintiff LAW DIVISION-CRIMINAL PART

vs. MONMOUTH COUNTY

ROBERT D. MERRILL IND. NO. 95-02-260-1

__________________________________________________ _____________

 

ORDER

 

This matter having been opened to the Court by Evan F. Nappen, Esq.,

Attorney for Defendant, in the presence of Michael B. Mangini,

Assistant Monmouth County Prosecutor, and

 

The Court having heard argument of counsel and good cause having been

shown; and

 

The Court having determined that Count One of the indictment alleging

a violation of N.J.S.A. 2C:39-3j is unconstitutional for violating ex

post facto and due process; and

 

The Court having determined that Count Two of the indictment alleging

a violation of N.J.S.A. 2C:39-5f and incorporating

N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1w(2) as to the definition of "assault firearm" is

unconstitutional for vagueness and due process;

 

IT IS on this 26th day of February, 1996, ORDERED that the defendant's

motion to dismiss Count One of the indictment be, and the same is

hereby granted.

 

It is further ORDERED that the defendant's motion to dismiss Count Two

of the indictment be, and the same is hereby granted.

 

(Signed)

_____________________________

HON. MICHAEL D. FARREN, J.S.C.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

This might be a more stupid (even rhetorical) question...but what's the NRA doin about this?

 

Not much anybody can do until a bill get filed.