Christie has no opinion on concealed carry

[Steve_G 51]

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[vladtepes 1,060]

I don't know... I think that at heart Christie is a politician.. and I don't get the impression that he really cares about guns one way or another.. I know he is not pro-gun and am pretty sure that as the article states he used assault weapons as a driving point against someone before.. but that all could be largely political, he does not really give the impression of being anti-gun either.. he believes NJ will not push any real CCW reform forward so as a politician he is basically saying I will not waste my time and effort debating something that isn't happening.. prove him wrong get something going.. and it will force his hand to show his true colors.. the fact that he commuted the sentence of someone who was %100 in the wrong in favor of pro-gun pressure shows IMO that he would at least seriously consider any reform put forth to him..

[JackDaWack 2,895]

I'm sorry....but isn't it his job to have an opinion...? I mean what the hell are we paying him for, to be indecisive?

 

He basically said...he wont say anything until something happens or is passed and reaches his desk...What a crap head, he's supposed to be an elected official yet he can't give the people his opinion on a very relevant topic.

[joecs1 11]

He and our legislature are going to cost NJ a lot of money when the SAF Lawsuit goes to SCOTUS!

[Steve_G 51]

They should have also asked if he was going to waste our money fighting the pending lawsuit.

[mikeyboyeee 66]

They should have also asked if he was going to waste our money fighting the pending lawsuit.

 

 

That would have been a more appropriate question.

[Nick S 2]

While I am all in favor of a CCW law that actually allows someone who is NOT politically connected to get a CCW permit in NJ, I have to agree with the Governor that in a Democratic controlled state senate no gun laws are going to get past in favor of the gun owners or CCW 2A advocates. There are more pressing issues that he needs to deal with. He's just playing the cards he was dealt unfortunately. It's the same reason the NRA isn't really advocating strongly in NJ...there are better fights to be had that have a greater chance of being won.

 

I just hope that the Governor gets more people in NJ back to work and controls the outrageous spending in the state. I am hopeful that he'll lower taxes with a minimal disruption of services. On a side note I was reading an article about Camden where they are about to lay off approximately half of their police force and many other first responders for that community. These are the tough battles he needs to get involved in to help protect the citizens of NJ.

 

If we want to see a positive change in gun laws in NJ then we have to vote out all of the people who want to take away gun rights of the citizens. We need to find 2A supporters and gun advocates that could be viable political candidates and vote them into office in each district.As long as NJ keeps going along the same path and voting in the same people year after year (Laughtenburg) then we will never see real change in NJ. The citizens of NJ got tired of the way things were in the State house so they voted someone new into office...now if we can only take those efforts and get them into the local districts real change can happen. One person alone.....even if they are Governor cannot effect change by themselves.

 

Christie has to be careful with what he says because he's trying to broker deals with the devil so to speak and he knows he has a tough battle with a Democratic Senate in NJ. That's why he isn't coming out and saying that he wants gun laws to change. Honestly, I also believe Christie is quite liberal for a Republican on many issues too and that's why he has taken the stance that he has.

[Wojo 98]

I think vlad hit it pretty close to the mark.

[vladtepes 1,060]

While I am all in favor of a CCW law that actually allows someone who is NOT politically connected to get a CCW permit in NJ, I have to agree with the Governor that in a Democratic controlled state senate no gun laws are going to get past in favor of the gun owners or CCW 2A advocates. There are more pressing issues that he needs to deal with. He's just playing the cards he was dealt unfortunately. It's the same reason the NRA isn't really advocating strongly in NJ...there are better fights to be had that have a greater chance of being won.

 

I just hope that the Governor gets more people in NJ back to work and controls the outrageous spending in the state. I am hopeful that he'll lower taxes with a minimal disruption of services. On a side note I was reading an article about Camden where they are about to lay off approximately half of their police force and many other first responders for that community. These are the tough battles he needs to get involved in to help protect the citizens of NJ.

 

If we want to see a positive change in gun laws in NJ then we have to vote out all of the people who want to take away gun rights of the citizens. We need to find 2A supporters and gun advocates that could be viable political candidates and vote them into office in each district.As long as NJ keeps going along the same path and voting in the same people year after year (Laughtenburg) then we will never see real change in NJ. The citizens of NJ got tired of the way things were in the State house so they voted someone new into office...now if we can only take those efforts and get them into the local districts real change can happen. One person alone.....even if they are Governor cannot effect change by themselves.

 

Christie has to be careful with what he says because he's trying to broker deals with the devil so to speak and he knows he has a tough battle with a Democratic Senate in NJ. That's why he isn't coming out and saying that he wants gun laws to change. Honestly, I also believe Christie is quite liberal for a Republican on many issues too and that's why he has taken the stance that he has.

 

right the governor gets crucified for not caring about carrying a concealed weapon when the state is in the toilet countless other ways..

 

but yet the NRA.. whos job it is to care about gun rights.. has completely written off this state in regards to gun rights YEARS ago.. and they get a free pass.. no wait.. not a free pass.. we PAY THEM FOR NOT CARING..

 

I am with you %100.. fix the money situation.. did he say he would ignore? did he say anything like that? no.. he said get it in motion.. get it in front of him.. and he will address it.. if I recall correctly he was equally cryptic with Brian.. but at the end of the day his sentence was commuted.. and now he is a free man.. if push comes to shove.. and the people of this state demonstrate to him that there is a universal want for CCW.. I am pretty hopeful that he would at that point address it..

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

 

but yet the NRA.. whos job it is to care about gun rights.. has completely written off this state in regards to gun rights YEARS ago.. and they get a free pass.. no wait.. not a free pass.. we PAY THEM FOR NOT CARING..

 

 

Why should they care? What have NJ gun owners done to deserve anything? We keep voting the same people into office.

 

And there are actual gun owners in NJ who actually prefer to have Corzine over Christie with regards to 2A issues.

[vladtepes 1,060]

Why should they care? What have NJ gun owners done to deserve anything? We keep voting the same people into office.

 

And there are actual gun owners in NJ who actually prefer to have Corzine over Christie with regards to 2A issues.

 

how is it justified to allow the NRA (an organization that many gun owners PAY) write off the state.. but not the governor who as far as I am aware made no 2A promises..

 

that was the point I was making..

 

your comments just illustrate that stupidity exists in NJ.. I think we all already know that.. lol

[BigHayden 77]

I'm finding myself agreeing with Vlad a lot lately.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

I'm finding myself agreeing with Vlad a lot lately.

 

Bromance?

[EchoMirage 137]

I'm finding myself agreeing with Vlad a lot lately.

 

just get into an AR vs. AK discussion and that will stop

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

but yet the NRA.. whos job it is to care about gun rights.. has completely written off this state in regards to gun rights YEARS ago.. and they get a free pass.. no wait.. not a free pass.. we PAY THEM FOR NOT CARING..

 

 

Whoa there, just who do you think that the ANJRPC is? They ae the state arm of the NRA. Very seldom does the national organization get involved with state level issues or politics - their agenda is full enough at the federal level. State issues are handled by the state organizations at the state level. They are very much involved with the joint SAF/ANJRPC lawsuit. People keep giving the NRA a bad rap without understanding how they are structured and what they do. I know it's hard to see beyond our borders, but there is a heck of a lot federal BS that needs attention, that affects all of us. I truly believe that if it weren't for the NRA, we'd be confined to pretending we have guns by pointing a finger and going "Bang, bang". Don't be so quick to rush to judgement.

 

JMHO

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

how is it justified to allow the NRA (an organization that many gun owners PAY) write off the state.. but not the governor who as far as I am aware made no 2A promises..

 

that was the point I was making..

 

your comments just illustrate that stupidity exists in NJ.. I think we all already know that.. lol

 

Some people send $$ to the NRA for other reasons, whatever they might be, or hoping they keep up the fight at the National level, so things can't get any worse for us. Which is the only reason I donate, truth be told.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

pretending we have guns by pointing a finger and going "Bang, bang". Don't be so quick to rush to judgement.

 

 

Not even that since that too would be outlawed as terroristic threats.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

My argument still stands, how do we vote for elected officials if they do not give us there opinion or stance on a relevant subjects? The problem in NJ is we don't know who were voting for until they get into office... or until they sign something. When re-elections come up and i'm trying to pick who to vote for how do i know if christie will be for us or against us? Picking the middle ground is what i call being a pu$$y, if he believes in something he should say it, not say i will reveal my true colors when and only when necessary.

[vladtepes 1,060]

My argument still stands, how do we vote for elected officials if they do not give us there opinion or stance on a relevant subjects? The problem in NJ is we don't know who were voting for until they get into office... or until they sign something. When re-elections come up and i'm trying to pick who to vote for how do i know if christie will be for us or against us? Picking the middle ground is what i call being a pu$$y, if he believes in something he should say it, not say i will reveal my true colors when and only when necessary.

easy.. when asked about guns.. his answer was that he wanted to enforce the existing gun laws.. that is pretty clear.. he is weak on 2A reform.. but does not appear to have any interest in expanding gun laws in the wrong direction.. you can not possibly know everything about an elected official.. sometimes they are simply not sure how they feel and don't want to speculate.. want to know for sure.. get some reform in front of him and as stated he will be forced to make a decision.. guns are important to you.. they are important to me.. but at the moment when compared to the states financial standing.. unemployment.. the tanking casinos.. etc.. there are lots of other issues that are kind of at the front.. I can't be worried what gun I can legally buy next when I am not sure I will even have a roof over my head in a month.. I like many may potentially face unemployment soon.. and while I LOVE firearms.. I gotta tell you.. there are more pressing things on most peoples plates at the moment, like getting food on those plates..

 

you are totally entitled to your opinion.. but I don't think he is being an a**.. I think it is just something that doesn't really concern him at the moment because nothing has actually happened..

[vladtepes 1,060]

just get into an AR vs. AK discussion and that will stop

 

 

dont know why that would be..

 

AR: when you are planning that nice sunny day of paper punching at the range..

AK: when it absolutely has to go bang every time..

 

LOL

 

Bromance?

 

 

LOL

[sinter 4]

Christie's a politician with national aspirations; he's not to make a stand either pro-gun or anti-gun until he sees how the tide is turning within the state. If a bill gets to his desk that's pro-gun I can't see him squashing and going down on record as being anti-Second Amendment. Conversely I don't see him doing anything to help us. He's going to sit back and let the situation evolve around him. If the Senate wants to reduce magazine capacity, I don't see him opposing it, if the Senate wants CCW I don't see him opposing that. At this point he wants to date both sides of the argument and he's not going to take a stand until he has to. He's a politician 100% and hoping to become the Republican Party's fair haired boy.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

dont know why that would be..

 

AR: when you are planning that nice sunny day of paper punching at the range..

AK: when it absolutely has to go bang every time..

 

 

Not to hijack the thread, but +1 on the AK since it can handle black powder loads.

 

AR when you're stuck shooting smokeless.

[KpdPipes 388]

how is it justified to allow the NRA (an organization that many gun owners PAY) write off the state.. but not the governor who as far as I am aware made no 2A promises..

 

that was the point I was making..

 

your comments just illustrate that stupidity exists in NJ.. I think we all already know that.. lol

 

last time i looked the "N" in NRA does not stand for "New Jersey" NRA should be concerning itself with National Issues.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Christie's a politician with national aspirations; he's not to make a stand either pro-gun or anti-gun until he sees how the tide is turning within the state. If a bill gets to his desk that's pro-gun I can't see him squashing and going down on record as being anti-Second Amendment. Conversely I don't see him doing anything to help us. He's going to sit back and let the situation evolve around him. If the Senate wants to reduce magazine capacity, I don't see him opposing it, if the Senate wants CCW I don't see him opposing that. At this point he wants to date both sides of the argument and he's not going to take a stand until he has to. He's a politician 100% and hoping to become the Republican Party's fair haired boy.

You said what i was trying to type out for the past 30mins. It makes me sick how these people operate, they don't care what there opinion is as long as there in the majority. Which is why i know he didn't say anything. We want answers, and he says....hey? why rock the boat? If people asked these kind of questions about the education system and all the rest years ago we probably wouldn't be sitting in such a mess. Just because something is not an issue now, doesn't mean it wont be in the very near future. These people take no pre-action, there only there to clean up a mess.

 

Honestly, is the state not in a Carry permit lawsuit right now? Wouldn't it be wise to shed some light on how he feels about it, and what measures he will take during the case to make sure no $$ is wasted.

[vladtepes 1,060]

last time i looked the "N" in NRA does not stand for "New Jersey" NRA should be concerning itself with National Issues.

funny I was under the wrong impression then.. when I read things like

 

the Village of Morton Grove agreed to a stipulated dismissal of a National Rifle Association lawsuit challenging the village’s gun ban. A new town ordinance recognizes the right to private handgun ownership, bringing an end to NRA’s lawsuit against the village.

 

it gives the impression that the NRA gets involved on a local level if it feels so moved to..

[Z71 4]

we all know what needs to happen..but when we have lawmakers spending time on more important matters other than getting re-elected, they spend time making ,september "hystiocycosis month" or declaring everyone in nj should observe "earth hour" or requireing bicycle registration to protect the elderly... gun law reform in nj ranks right up there with designating BB guns as toys.....

[halbautomatisch 60]

My 2 cents.

 

I think Christie is planning on running again for gov after his term is up, rather than for national office in 2012. Therefore, he is going to avoid the gun issue as long as he can since it will not help him get reelected in NJ. He will probably run for national office in 2016 if he is still the darling (or at least the best candidate) of the Republican party when that time comes. He is clever and all his statements are well thought out. If he smells national ambition in 2016, he will probably change his tune some after being (if) reelected. Christie knows Obama does not have a good challenger in 2012 and will most likely be reelected (God help us!), leaving an opportunity for 2016 when their will be no incumbent.

[BigHayden 77]

dont know why that would be..

 

AR: when you are planning that nice sunny day of paper punching at the range..

AK: when it absolutely has to go bang every time..

 

LOL

 

I've never shot either one (I'm more of a handgun guy, but I did buy an AR just in case a few years ago; guess it's time to break that sucker in, eh?), but I'm with you on the AK...

 

Ah crap, I'm agreeing with you again.

 

 

Seriously though, you do make a lot of good points, including that right now money/taxes is higher on people's priority list than guns in NJ right now.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Regardless of whether he's pro gun or not, he's still waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the last douche.

[ianargent 7]

Hell, if he came out for 2A rights, the Dem's would oppose it because Christie was for it. He's got limited political capital and lots of things to do. Push Sweeny, Support Carrol, and explain the facts to Van Drew. Get them to put a (good) bill on the Governor's desk and see what happens.