rem 700 or weatherby vanguard

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

Simple title, who owns what, advantages or disadvantages of either.

 

also .223 or .308 is what im thinking of for calibers.

 

this will more likely than not spend its life as a paper puncher, and will not be reaching out much further than 300 yards.

 

i like .223 because i intend on getting an ar as well and reloading a common caliber between two weapons makes life a little easier.

[Jon 264]

There's a very very very nice 700 in .308 in the Marketplace for a great price

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Simple title, who owns what, advantages or disadvantages of either.

 

also .223 or .308 is what im thinking of for calibers.

 

this will more likely than not spend its life as a paper puncher, and will not be reaching out much further than 300 yards.

 

i like .223 because i intend on getting an ar as well and reloading a common caliber between two weapons makes life a little easier.

 

 

If you are going to get a .223 with the intent of standardizing on ammo, there are a couple things of which you need to be aware. First is the .223 v 5.56 difference. Chances are your AR will be chambered for 5.56x45, while the BA rifle will be chambered for .223.

 

Secondly, you need to be aware of the twist rate. While I believe that the Remington 700, at least in some of its iterations is available in a twist compatible with the ammo normally used in an AR (55 gr to 75 gr bullets), which would be a 1:7 or 1:8 or 1:9. Some of the Remingtom Varmint versions are likely to be 1:12, which is suitable for 40 gr - 52 gr varmint type bullets.

 

The Weatherby Vanguard is a rebadged Howa 1500. Under the Howa label, in .223, it is only available in the 1:12 twist - not sure if it's the same in the Weatherby version, but it most likely is.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

Appreciate the help so far thanks

[MidwestPX 172]

There's a very very very nice 700 in .308 in the Marketplace for a great price

You mean this one? http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/25097-fs-700-5r-w-glass-and-case/

 

For 300 yards, .223 will do just fine. At about the 600 yard mark, .223 runs out of steam and it becomes frustrating to make good hits. The other advantage is .223 is cheaper to shoot. I bought a .308 because I intended to shoot beyond 600 yards but due to time constraints and other priorities, have not had a chance to use it to its full potential. Hence why I'm selling it.

[Jon 264]

and this one: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/25126-wtswtt-a-few-handguns-and-rifles/

 

[Pew Pew Plates 358]

700. Very common, a wealth of info and upgrades out there.

 

 

.308>.223

 

You wont be reloading the same ammo between your AR and 700. Even disregarding the whole 5.56 vs .223 brass issue, you will have to full length resize your AR brass and you will want to neck size only your 700 brass. Also you will have different seating depths between the two rifles and they both will prefer different loads. It will be almost like reloading 2 different calibers, anyways.

 

This is why you may as well just go big or go home and get the .308, more range, more power. I have a 700 in .308 and I love it and you are welcome to try it sometime in bridgewater

 

Second pic is 5 rounds at 100 yards. .118" CTC

 

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

Yea might as well. How much per round is 308 related

[MidwestPX 172]

Yea might as well. How much per round is 308 related

I reload 175gr SMKs for $0.42/rd

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

Compared to .223 per round?

[MidwestPX 172]

Compared to .223 per round?

$0.28 to load 77gr SMKs for .223

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

Interesting thanks

[BullzeyeNJ 104]

If ur lazy like me u can find federal 168g gmm .308 for $1 a round. That's match grade ammo.

[Pew Pew Plates 358]

yeah but you can reload it for less than half the price and reloads properly done are much more accurate because they are tailored to your rifle.

 

Also, these arent rifles you sit and blast away 200 rounds with so ammunition cost isnt terribly important. I shoot 20 rounds per range session. Savings would be like $2 if it was .223....not worth it.

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

thats what i been figuring whether factory or reload the price difference in .223 and .308 is negligible and due to the loading variation .223 isnt the same between ar and bolt therfore im leaning towards .308 currently

[BullzeyeNJ 104]

I hear you Glenn and I agree with you. I reload it myself but like I said.."if your lazy like me". For some reason it takes me about a month to reload a box of 50 308's.

 

yeah but you can reload it for less than half the price and reloads properly done are much more accurate because they are tailored to your rifle.Also, these arent rifles you sit and blast away 200 rounds with so ammunition cost isnt terribly important. I shoot 20 rounds per range session. Savings would be like $2 if it was .223....not worth it.

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

well my thing with reloading is me and my buddy are splitting our relaoading ops half and half the gear is at his place and he does most of the work rather diligently if i may add so yea i will most likely supplement reload with factory stuff anyway

[BullzeyeNJ 104]

Here is a good article for you about bolt rifles:

 

http://www.shootingvoodoo.com/index.php/articles/starting_out_in_tactical_precision_rifle_shootin/

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

thanks ill check it out

[BullzeyeNJ 104]

I think this article will answer ALOT of your questions and then some.

 

You can get a factory Rem 700 PSS or 5R model for less then $1K and you are all set w/ a factory rifle that should shoot < 1 MOA at 100 yards. My PSS shoots < 1/2 MOA with factory match ammo all day! Totally stock.

 

Once you get into it more then you can so stuff like upgrade the stock or the bottom metal, install a nicer trigger, etc. Lots of options with the Rem 700.

[jruch87 6]

I have a Remington 700 SPS Varmint .223 1/12 twist I bought at dicks for under $500 put a Nikon M-223 3-12x42 with rapid action turrets on it and at 600 yards I'm shooting 6-8inch groups. This is using 55gr Fiocchi FMJBT bought for $.29 a round. Shouldn't need too much for 300yds.

[Mr.Shoot_It_All 13]

good to know jstang