Tallday 10 Posted September 26, 2013 I was wondering if a NJ resident worked for the BOP as an federal correction officer covered under LEOSA. Could they CCW in NJ? If anyone has any info on this it would be awesome. http://le.nra.org/leosa.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iCARRY 0 Posted September 26, 2013 I know nothing about federal corrections, do they regularly carry? Is their job considered a law enforcement position? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Eater 0 Posted September 26, 2013 Yes you can. My friends husband is a federal co and he carries under leosa. Another benefit is he doesnt need to check his gun at the airport... if the pilot will let him carry he can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wink-_-wink 1 Posted September 26, 2013 Tall, yes yo ucan CCW with BOP. You MUST complete Glynco first (since thats when you qualify) and then requal every year in ART... LEOSA is very grey so carry at your will but make sure you know your shit. Most of us carry 9's just because thats what we qual with. Hollow points at your discretion (again we qual with them but NJ hates you so at your own risk). Any real questions I would ask to some 8s. Preferably some SORT or DCT guys that are into guns. THey will know a little more. You can speak with your joints Legal people but they will likely brush you off... There are actually a LOT of BOP guys here whether they openly admit it or not Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wink-_-wink 1 Posted September 26, 2013 Also on Sallyport there is a TON of LEOSA info.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallday 10 Posted September 26, 2013 Tall, yes yo ucan CCW with BOP. You MUST complete Glynco first (since thats when you qualify) and then requal every year in ART... LEOSA is very grey so carry at your will but make sure you know your shit. Most of us carry 9's just because thats what we qual with. Hollow points at your discretion (again we qual with them but NJ hates you so at your own risk). Any real questions I would ask to some 8s. Preferably some SORT or DCT guys that are into guns. THey will know a little more. You can speak with your joints Legal people but they will likely brush you off... There are actually a LOT of BOP guys here whether they openly admit it or not Thanks for the info!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallday 10 Posted September 26, 2013 I know nothing about federal corrections, do they regularly carry? Is their job considered a law enforcement position? Yes two both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwings9 5 Posted September 27, 2013 Smoke..... "Another benefit is he doesnt need to check his gun at the airport... if the pilot will let him carry he can". This only applies if you are on official duty with orders. If you try to bypass TSA under LEOSA you can and will be arrested. LEOSA does not apply to transportation such as airlines,cruise ships etc. Just an FYI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smoke Eater 0 Posted September 29, 2013 Haha.. really.. he does go prison to prison.. maybe thats an order then. Ill ask him. I didnt really dig into the amswer i was kinda like wow haha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted September 30, 2013 Smoke..... "Another benefit is he doesnt need to check his gun at the airport... if the pilot will let him carry he can". This only applies if you are on official duty with orders. If you try to bypass TSA under LEOSA you can and will be arrested. LEOSA does not apply to transportation such as airlines,cruise ships etc. Just an FYI You are correct that LEOSA has nothing to do with a LEO carrying on a commercial flight. AFAIK the on duty with orders applies to state and local LEOs carrying on the plane last I looked. Agents from FBI, DEA, ATF, HSI, Secret Service, ICE, and other Federal agencies can carry all the time on commercial flights on duty or not. There are other requirements they meet to do so. If yours is an agency allowing you to carry all the time on commercial flights they let you know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfcrFek 21 Posted November 8, 2013 Hollow points at your discretion (again we qual with them but NJ hates you so at your own risk). The more and more I am reading the 2010 Ammendment to HR 218, I think it's ok'ing the carry of hollowpoints under LEOSA. http://beta.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/senate-bill/1132/text "(2) includes ammunition not expressly prohibited by Federal law or subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act; and" As far as I can dig, the only ammo I can see that's prohibited by Federal Law is armor piercing rounds and rounds that explode on impact. I believe other ammo is a go... Will change this or add to it if I find more.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joeyd6 0 Posted November 8, 2013 The LEOSA update cleared up the HP issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wink-_-wink 1 Posted November 10, 2013 Honestly tho... When it comes to LEOSA... the average officer (cop) is not versed on this. It would be a hassle trying to explain to someone about leosa and the HP issue since NJ thinks they are COP KILLERS! OMG BAN THEM! stupid. We may be legally cleared to carry them I just am not sure I want the hassle and hope the my agency would back me.... that puts too much into my agency lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted November 10, 2013 Honestly tho... When it comes to LEOSA... the average officer (cop) is not versed on this. It would be a hassle trying to explain to someone about leosa and the HP issue since NJ thinks they are COP KILLERS! OMG BAN THEM! stupid. We may be legally cleared to carry them I just am not sure I want the hassle and hope the my agency would back me.... that puts too much into my agency lolFederal COs are caught in a unique situation. LEOSA covers them for carring off duty. Their agency policy (if I'm correct) doesn't normally cover them for off duty carry. Other Federal agencies like FBI, DEA, Secret Service, HSI, CBP, etc. have policies regarding off duty carry. As long as someone from one of these agencies is carrying within the scope of their agency's policies things like hollowpoints and magazine capacities are not encumbered by any state law. A Federal CO has to depend on LEOSA for off duty carry. LEOSA permits you to carry a handgun of "the same type of action" you qualified with. If you are an active LEO you only need to carry your ID and not the qualification record retired guys need. Hollowpoints are also permitted under LEOSA. I seriously doubt anyone is goimg to check your ammo once you've identified yourself. If you get in a shooting situation LEOSA will cover you for the ammo as it trumps state law. There may be a hassle before this prevails however. I understand your reservations about your agency backing you which would normally happen to some degree if they had an off duty carry policy. I would plan on no backing if they are without a policy. If I were you I would do whatever you feel comfortable with. I'd say the average cop is better versed in LEOSA than you think. He or she wants to be aware of what they can do out of state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfcrFek 21 Posted December 24, 2013 http://www.hornady.com/store/critical_defense/ Just use these. Technically, they aren't hollow points. And the only problem with HP's that I read, is if you're shooting through any type of heavy clothing, there's the possibility of the clothing clogging the tip, not allowing it expand, and causing it to act like ball ammo likely resulting in overpenetration. These rounds kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Also, a word to anyone that reads this thread who carrys under LEOSA... I'm sure you already know, but I don't wanna see a fellow LEO get hemmed up for this... If you have to defend yourself, and you fire your weapon.... you are responsible for those rounds (because of course you double tapped). Even if your life is in danger, and a guy is coming at you with a knife, machete, shotgun, rabid cat, Thor's hammer, whatever, and you shoot him perfectly center mass, but it over penetrates and hits someone behind him... it's going to get very bad for you legality wise... at the VERY LEAST, the 2nd person hit is going to sue you... Therefore, be concious of the ammo going into the weapon as you're holstering up in the morning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wink-_-wink 1 Posted December 24, 2013 http://www.hornady.com/store/critical_defense/ Just use these. Technically, they aren't hollow points. And the only problem with HP's that I read, is if you're shooting through any type of heavy clothing, there's the possibility of the clothing clogging the tip, not allowing it expand, and causing it to act like ball ammo likely resulting in overpenetration. These rounds kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Also, a word to anyone that reads this thread who carrys under LEOSA... I'm sure you already know, but I don't wanna see a fellow LEO get hemmed up for this... If you have to defend yourself, and you fire your weapon.... you are responsible for those rounds (because of course you double tapped). Even if your life is in danger, and a guy is coming at you with a knife, machete, shotgun, rabid cat, Thor's hammer, whatever, and you shoot him perfectly center mass, but it over penetrates and hits someone behind him... it's going to get very bad for you legality wise... at the VERY LEAST, the 2nd person hit is going to sue you... Therefore, be concious of the ammo going into the weapon as you're holstering up in the morning. Someone comes at me with Thor's Hammer, I am not sure there is a bullet out there that can save you.... being that only the thunder god son of Odin can weild that mighty hammer.... Just saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted December 24, 2013 If I need to use that weapon I will take all necessary precautions and worry about the repercussions after as long as I am alive to do so Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wink-_-wink 1 Posted December 24, 2013 If I need to use that weapon I will take all necessary precautions and worry about the repercussions after as long as I am alive to do so Tried by 12 rather than carried by 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Matrix 105 Posted December 24, 2013 Wink-Wink, Not to get off topic, but your avator is pretty funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wink-_-wink 1 Posted December 25, 2013 Thanks, I thought it was pretty original BUT I recently saw someone else with it and I think they had it first so i will be looking for a new one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfcrFek 21 Posted December 25, 2013 All I was trying to say by that was a simple planning of what ammo you use could save your @ss in more ways then one if you have to draw your weapon off duty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted December 25, 2013 My job requires me to use the same duty ammo as off duty ammo so its on them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfcrFek 21 Posted December 25, 2013 Then that wasn't meant for you. Some other departments don't require their people to use the same type of ammo as when on duty. If someone is in one of those departments, they need to just be concious of the type of ammo they're using. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted December 26, 2013 I think BLF is a PANYNJ cop so he has jurisdiction in metro NY/NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EWC88 24 Posted December 26, 2013 I believe any correction officer can CCW, taking some classes at school and that was mention from law teacher and also a current captain police officer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wink-_-wink 1 Posted December 27, 2013 I believe any correction officer can CCW, taking some classes at school and that was mention from law teacher and also a current captain police officer. not true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted December 27, 2013 In NJ as LEOs, County and State Correction Officers can carry an off-duty weapon provided they complete an approved Police Training Commission approved academy, per 2C. However agencies can restrict calibers, makes, models and even if they want their guys carrying them at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites