petros600 12 Posted January 29, 2014 Paul, we need you back in NJ!!!! As stated. I will not log compliant guns into the AW book. That is idiotic. Besides, one must report all potential transfers from that book directly to the NJSP prior to transfer. Sent from an undisclosed location. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted January 29, 2014 I regret to say that I renewed my FFL for NJ because of pending sales. It will stay active until I sell the property. Sent from an undisclosed location. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,140 Posted January 29, 2014 Forget the boycot nonsense.This goes well above the FFLs and as if they had any fair leverage to do anything anyway. This is scary that someone high in the ranks initiated this. Why would they need to compile a specific list for what they call black rifles? And- what excactly falls under the heading of them. Is this another strongly suggested protocal from the AG? The NJSP superviser? Democratic party leader? Is it actually a seperate and new book or to be listed in the AW book? And BTW there does look to be some basis to this , one says it does exist another says there is talk of it. For all we know there can be a bunch of FFLs already doing this, how would we know? Understandably i can see some dealers not wanting to discuss it, letsw not turn this on them a maybe they will enlighten us. Thanx to the few FFLs who did respond so far. I wonder how much air time this would get if it was one of the zillion new gun laws being regurgitated... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted January 29, 2014 I think it's unfair for those talking about boycotting to consider such an action against an FFL if they have been told by the NJSP that they need to keep a separate bound book for a certain class of firearm. Keep in mind that NJSP has the power to shut FFLs down. That's a person's livelihood at stake. If the FFL has employees, those are paychecks at stake and additional homes depending on that FFL to put food on the table. The FFL isn't the bad guy here if all they're doing is complying with NJSP's mandate of keeping a separate bound book. Should it be obtained in writing? Absolutely. But to boycott an FFL who has received verbal direction from the governing body seems a bit unfair and extreme. I understand that it's a slippery slope and an unnerving precedent if true however FFLs don't make the rules but we do have to follow them or risk our livelihood and possibly freedom. If there is no law and just a form of intimidation, should it be followed? And that that taking food out of the mouths of employee's families is PURE BS. You should join BHO! "It's for the children" Get real! Sure feed the kids and set up a society where they have no firearms. Where have the principles of our fathers and grandfathers, "The Greatest Generation", gone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted January 29, 2014 TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR....I NEVER SUGGESTED A BOYCOTT! I WAS ASKING A QUESTION. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted January 29, 2014 If there is no law and just a form of intimidation, should it be followed? And that that taking food out of the mouths of employee's families is PURE BS. You should join BHO! "It's for the children" Get real! Sure feed the kids and set up a society where they have no firearms. Where have the principles of our fathers and grandfathers, "The Greatest Generation", gone? That's an incredibly easy position for you to take when it isn't your paycheck and future on the line, isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brocglock23 4 Posted January 29, 2014 That's an incredibly easy position for you to take when it isn't your paycheck and future on the line, isn't it?nothing for nothing... I appreciate that your a vendor and I hear you have great mags and fair pricing but it's an easy position for you to say don't boycott an ffl in NJ. Two reasons. 1- maybe that ffl buys from you so you would lose business also and 2- you don't have to put your rifles in a aw book from the comfort of Missouri?? Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted January 29, 2014 That's an incredibly easy position for you to take when it isn't your paycheck and future on the line, isn't it? "Turn in your fellow Jews and we'll leave you alone" Sound familiar? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
70gto 142 Posted January 29, 2014 I spoke to an FFL today and asked about this topic and without me finishing the sentence he stated "yeah we keep a 3rd book" for non compliant guns that come in. I nearly fell over. But he said it was for only the non compliant guns that go to the store. What was kind of sketchy was I wanted to get an out of state gun shipped there and made compliant. I asked if that would get logged in. There was a long pause there, and then he said it wont get logged because of the work, (pinning stock and flash hider removal) that I know will make it compliant, but he had to think about that. What I would like to know is if in the free states where most things are legal if such a third book is also kept, then that would be something to really think about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xdmjohn 0 Posted January 29, 2014 By "aw" do you mean assault weapon? Or class 3 devices ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted January 29, 2014 I spoke to an FFL today and asked about this topic and without me finishing the sentence he stated "yeah we keep a 3rd book" for non compliant guns that come in. I nearly fell over. But he said it was for only the non compliant guns that go to the store. What was kind of sketchy was I wanted to get an out of state gun shipped there and made compliant. I asked if that would get logged in. There was a long pause there, and then he said it wont get logged because of the work, (pinning stock and flash hider removal) that I know will make it compliant, but he had to think about that. What I would like to know is if in the free states where most things are legal if such a third book is also kept, then that would be something to really think about. Please clarify...Now I hear (3) three books? Yes the ATF Transaction book is one. What are the other two? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
70gto 142 Posted January 29, 2014 Sorry he said he kept regular firearms/ ammo and the "evil ones" in a separate books. I should have said another book instead of 3.I can only confirm he did state there was another separate book for the non compliant guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted January 29, 2014 A dealer can have many books. Title 1, Title 2, Gunsmirhing, Manufacturing, etc. The Admin Code directs the dealer to have a book for NJAWs/NFAa. ETA: HG, HP Ammo Book Sent from an undisclosed location. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted January 29, 2014 As stated. I will not log compliant guns into the AW book. That is idiotic. Besides, one must report all potential transfers from that book directly to the NJSP prior to transfer. Sent from an undisclosed location. Makes perfect sense to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted January 29, 2014 The NJSP is supposed to be notified of any disposition from the NJAW Book. Compliant guns, receivers, etc ARE NOT NJ Assault Firearms. Shessh. Sent from an undisclosed location. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xdmjohn 0 Posted January 29, 2014 Where I come from a gun is a gun regardless of if it's compliant or not, class 3 items ( suppressors ) and such get they're own book to keep it tidy . Ammo has it's own book , and a repair book for repairs. There's no aw book I've ever heard of for something non compliant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted January 29, 2014 nothing for nothing... I appreciate that your a vendor and I hear you have great mags and fair pricing but it's an easy position for you to say don't boycott an ffl in NJ. Two reasons. 1- maybe that ffl buys from you so you would lose business also and 2- you don't have to put your rifles in a aw book from the comfort of Missouri?? Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Nope, I have no skin in the game. I'm a realist though. The ATF has given me arbitrary direction in the past and like NJ FFLs, I answer to them so I can relate to what a NJ FFL is dealing with when the NJSP gives them arbitrary direction. Do you follow it to ensure you will continue to keep your doors open or do you defy it and push the envelope, risking the wrath of the governing body who can arbitrarily shut you down? I can appreciate people coming from the perspective of it should be fought on principle but you have to remember that even if the FFL is in the right, they're risking lost income, loss of license, time in court, and possibly time in prison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brocglock23 4 Posted January 30, 2014 Nope, I have no skin in the game. I'm a realist though. The ATF has given me arbitrary direction in the past and like NJ FFLs, I answer to them so I can relate to what a NJ FFL is dealing with when the NJSP gives them arbitrary direction. Do you follow it to ensure you will continue to keep your doors open or do you defy it and push the envelope, risking the wrath of the governing body who can arbitrarily shut you down? I can appreciate people coming from the perspective of it should be fought on principle but you have to remember that even if the FFL is in the right, they're risking lost income, loss of license, time in court, and possibly time in prison. how can they just shut down a shop for questioning a policy. These laws were put in place. Kind of sounds like Cartman from south park.... Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted January 30, 2014 Love that Cartman episode. Check out the Ray-Bans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris327 30 Posted January 30, 2014 how can they just shut down a shop for questioning a policy. These laws were put in place. Kind of sounds like Cartman from south park.... Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk From my understanding njsp has the authority to shut down an ffl for non compliance. Not sure if its.just laws.or directives.or what. Either way would be nice for an ffl doing this.to get written directive. But as others said dont boycott them, we will end up with fewer ffls than we have now. So how will that help us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites