Pistol Permits, Extensions and Exemptions

[JHZR2 56]

Hello,

Just want to clarify a few things that aren't evident to me procedurally, from my reading other discussions...

1) Based upon an assumed approval for an extension of permits, the most permits you can request if adhering to a single purchase per 30 days is 5. This allows sequential 30 day buys, i.e. day 1, 31, 61, 91, 121 and 151.  Day 181 is not allowable under any circumstances. That isn't really a question, I believe this is fairly well established.

2) Given the schedule in #1, what defines day #1?  Is it the day the PD chief signs/approves the permits, or is it the day they are picked up?

3) If one desired to have an exception to acquire more than one pistol in a 30 day window, does this re-start the 30 day clock for regular purchases?  For example, say I purchased a pistol on day 1, then exercised my exemption to buy more for the purpose of building a collection on, say, day 15.  Since I was buying on the basis of an approved exception, is the next allowable window for a regular purchase day 31 or day 45?

4) If I had a desire to buy three pistols per #3, say one for range use and two as collectibles, does the exemption list all three, or just the two for the collection?  To make this interesting, as an example, say I wanted to buy an off the shelf revolver, and then an 1800s colt and a 1700s flintlock pistol.  The fact that serial numbers are needed aside, the two that one would buy under exception are the colt and the flintlock.  but to exercise the exception, and acquire a suitable range gun, do all three go on for the exception or just two?  What if they are all from different vendors? 

5) If there is a collectible that I desire to acquire, and do not desire to request exceptions, is it allowable to purchase the firearm (i.e. nothing precludes you from buying a gun if you do not take possession), have it shipped to my FFL (assuming they are agreeable to holding it), and then pick it up when the clock allows?

6) Is it best practice to provide the exception request for multiple purchases at the time of initial permit paperwork submission?  Ive seen some posts indicate yes, but others that indicate that procedurally the exemption is different.

Thanks for your time and insight!

[Oakridgefirearms 224]

1 hour ago, JHZR2 said:

Hello,

Just want to clarify a few things that aren't evident to me procedurally, from my reading other discussions...

1) Based upon an assumed approval for an extension of permits, the most permits you can request if adhering to a single purchase per 30 days is 5 6. This allows sequential 30 day buys, i.e. day 1, 31, 61, 91, 121 and 151.  Day 181 is not allowable under any circumstances. That isn't really a question, I believe this is fairly well established.

2) Given the schedule in #1, what defines day #1?  Is it the day the PD chief signs/approves the permits, or is it the day they are picked up? The date typed on the permit

3) If one desired to have an exception to acquire more than one pistol in a 30 day window, does this re-start the 30 day clock for regular purchases? Yes For example, say I purchased a pistol on day 1, then exercised my exemption to buy more for the purpose of building a collection on, say, day 15.  Since I was buying on the basis of an approved exception, is the next allowable window for a regular purchase day 31 or day 45? Day 45 if new purchase is a non exempt purchase

4) If I had a desire to buy three pistols per #3, say one for range use and two as collectibles, does the exemption list all three, or just the two for the collection?  To make this interesting, as an example, say I wanted to buy an off the shelf revolver, and then an 1800s colt and a 1700s flintlock pistol.  The fact that serial numbers are needed aside, the two that one would buy under exception are the colt and the flintlock.  but to exercise the exception, and acquire a suitable range gun, do all three go on for the exception or just two? New guns can be put on an exemption, even if claiming a collector exemption What if they are all from different vendors? You will need to fill out a SP016 form for each vendor/seller

5) If there is a collectible that I desire to acquire, and do not desire to request exceptions, is it allowable to purchase the firearm (i.e. nothing precludes you from buying a gun if you do not take possession), have it shipped to my FFL (assuming they are agreeable to holding it), and then pick it up when the clock allows? Yes if your FFL is OK with holding it

6) Is it best practice to provide the exception request for multiple purchases at the time of initial permit paperwork submission?  Ive seen some posts indicate yes, but others that indicate that procedurally the exemption is different. The law says you need to submit both at the same time, but it has been allowed to submit exemptions for permits you already have

Thanks for your time and insight!

 

[tattooo 220]

I got a multiple handgun exemption once and got them both on the same day....You have to list the firearms on the form. I am not sure if it can be done separate as it is pretty much one nics for multiple firearms.
I'm sure@pk90 or@remixer can clarify.

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[remixer 1,645]

I got a multiple handgun exemption once and got them both on the same day....You have to list the firearms on the form. I am not sure if it can be done separate as it is pretty much one nics for multiple firearms.
I'm sure[mention=1314]pk90[/mention] or[mention=3597]remixer[/mention] can clarify.

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It's a single nics for all pistols on the exemption

[NJGF 375]

I always get extra permits just in case: like the dog ate one, etc. There is really no limit to the number of permits you can request except adding additional paperwork to your local PD (and $2 each) so you might not want to do it frivolously.

[remixer 1,645]

9 hours ago, JHZR2 said:

Hello,

Just want to clarify a few things that aren't evident to me procedurally, from my reading other discussions...

1) Based upon an assumed approval for an extension of permits, the most permits you can request if adhering to a single purchase per 30 days is 5. This allows sequential 30 day buys, i.e. day 1, 31, 61, 91, 121 and 151.  Day 181 is not allowable under any circumstances. That isn't really a question, I believe this is fairly well established.

2) Given the schedule in #1, what defines day #1?  Is it the day the PD chief signs/approves the permits, or is it the day they are picked up?

Day permit is signed by the chief is the day the clock starts towards expiration, Most towns fill in the Expiration date as well.

3) If one desired to have an exception to acquire more than one pistol in a 30 day window, does this re-start the 30 day clock for regular purchases?  For example, say I purchased a pistol on day 1, then exercised my exemption to buy more for the purpose of building a collection on, say, day 15.  Since I was buying on the basis of an approved exception, is the next allowable window for a regular purchase day 31 or day 45?

the 30 day rule resets on the date you transfer the pistols listed on the exemption.

4) If I had a desire to buy three pistols per #3, say one for range use and two as collectibles, does the exemption list all three, or just the two for the collection?  To make this interesting, as an example, say I wanted to buy an off the shelf revolver, and then an 1800s colt and a 1700s flintlock pistol.  The fact that serial numbers are needed aside, the two that one would buy under exception are the colt and the flintlock.  but to exercise the exception, and acquire a suitable range gun, do all three go on for the exception or just two?  What if they are all from different vendors? 

Collection does not mean collectable. If you buy 7 brand new pistols its a collection. Exemption are not limited to "historical pistols". The pistols on the exemption must be at a single FFL regardless of where you purchased them. A single exemption cannot be spread among different FFL's.  If you have multiple pistols at different FFL's a separate exemption would need to be filed for each FFL and the pistols they are holding.

 

5) If there is a collectible that I desire to acquire, and do not desire to request exceptions, is it allowable to purchase the firearm (i.e. nothing precludes you from buying a gun if you do not take possession), have it shipped to my FFL (assuming they are agreeable to holding it), and then pick it up when the clock allows?
 

You can purchase as many pistols as you desire, The NJSP does not consider it a "purchase" until you actually pick it up. You're "Collection" can be acquired from different sources and times as long as they are being held its not a "purchase".

 

6) Is it best practice to provide the exception request for multiple purchases at the time of initial permit paperwork submission?  Ive seen some posts indicate yes, but others that indicate that procedurally the exemption is different.

This differs from town to town. Reason being the exemption takes approx 4 - 6 weeks if done correctly. Some town take 6 months to get permits. I would try and time things to be within a month or so of each other. I'v had Nics question and delay the transfer of an exemption that was 6 months old because it took that long for the permits.  They did approve it but took a few days and a couple of phone calls.  You also don't want permits expiring while you are waiting for the exemption so don't jump the gun on that.

Thanks for your time and insight!

 

If you are planning to file for an exemption just make sure you and the ffl list every pistol properly.  Any serial number issues will delay the exemption and remove that pistol from being exempt during the transfer.  When we run the NICS check on an exemption we enter the serial numbers of each pistol being picked up, They must match the serial numbers submitted to the NJSP when the exemption was filed.  If a serial number is incorrect it would not be transferred during that transaction.

Also keep in mind that you can get one additional pistol that day.  If you have not picked up any pistols within 30 days..  We would run the single pistol first (Separate transaction, nics and 4473), Once that's  submitted we would submit the exempt transaction since it overrides the 30 day rule  on the one we ran prior.  As long as you run the single transaction first.

I advise all my clients when filing for an exemption to get an extra permit in-case they buy something after the exemption was filed. This does not save you money, Paperwork or time... It just allows you to leave with one additional pistol the same day.

We have done many exemption's, Only thing i will tell you is out of courtesy contact the FFL prior to arriving for the exemption transfer, there is nothing worse then you arriving to pick up 15 pistols during a time when the dealer is packed with other clients.  It creates confusion and holds up other customers, It also helps the dealer get your collection together, It will make for a smoother transaction.

[tattooo 220]

It's a single nics for all pistols on the exemption

Thanks for the clarification Steve

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