Why is it taking so long to get FID and Pistol Purchase permits?

[FDHog 232]

They aren't supposed to ask for references either, but they do.

[DirtyDigz 1,136]

19 hours ago, Bomber said:

Why is the question on the application at all?

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Preaching to the choir, @Bomber.  I agree it shouldn't be relevant to the investigation and really only serves as a mild deterrent to applicants.

[Sniper 5,517]

1 hour ago, DirtyDigz said:

Preaching to the choir, @Bomber.  I agree it shouldn't be relevant to the investigation and really only serves as a mild deterrent to applicants.

So, when was the last time you heard someone got denied a permit for not having their employer listed on the application?

[45Doll 2,691]

Well when you're feeling down, take heart. At least you're not in Detroit.

Got your 2022 calendar handy?

[Bomber 376]

7 hours ago, DirtyDigz said:

 I agree it shouldn't be relevant to the investigation and really only serves as a mild deterrent to applicants.

In N.J.and with the current job market I'd say that could be a major deterrent to some applicants. 

[DirtyDigz 1,136]

PD advised me today that permits are ready.  Today is a little over 30 days from when the officer contacted me for the paystub in response to my certified letter.

I believe the letter worked to get my permits moving.

[JJames 2]

3 hours ago, DirtyDigz said:

PD advised me today that permits are ready.  Today is a little over 30 days from when the officer contacted me for the paystub in response to my certified letter.

I believe the letter worked to get my permits moving.

The letter definitely worked for me too. I kept getting the runaround each time I called. Always was told to wait X amount of weeks longer. I sent the letter and bam. 3 days after I dropped it in the mailbox I got a phone call. I left the part in there that quoted the statute too. So I guess that gave the appearance that someone was dragging their feet and needed to do their job. I was told where I am in line that they are just finishing up October 2020. I think my app was date November 11, 2020. So I’m expecting the call any day to come in to pick up the FID. Whomever recommended the letter, thanks so much. Brilliant idea and it worked beautifully. I don’t think many people would think of writing a letter. Who would have thunk old snail mail that’s been around since Benjamin Franklin would have been the best way to expedite something like this?

[Bomber 376]

10 minutes ago, JJames said:

The letter definitely worked for me too.  I don’t think many people would think of writing a letter. Who would have thunk old snail mail that’s been around since Benjamin Franklin would have been the best way to expedite something like this?

Yes, letters work. 

When the IRS or a collection agency go after someone they send a letter.

[JJames 2]

49 minutes ago, Bomber said:

Yes, letters work. 

When the IRS or a collection agency go after someone they send a letter.

Valid point for sure. They make those letters sounds scary too. Like they are coming for your house, your car and your dog. lol 

[marlintag 66]

The Highland Park Police Department have sent letters and have called all of my employers. I have been told from someone in town that they will drive up and down the block and tell everybody your a gun owner. There a-holes!

[124gr9mm 412]

On 2/11/2021 at 1:39 PM, 10X said:

The employment question is inappropriate

i always listed my company name but gave my direct phone number; figured if I got the call I might be able to verify my own employment. Worst case I’d transfer the call to HR 

in 20 years, the police never called.  But some departments do. 

I tried that approach, but instead of calling, my PD sent a form letter (that looked like it had been Xerox copied about 1000 times) to the attention of the "HR Department" at my office mailing address.

I work for a global company with over 200,000 employees, so the letter literally made it halfway around the world and up through several layers of leadership while they figured out what to do with it.

I eventually got a call from our regional "security Director" who advised me of our firm's policy on NO FIREARMS IN THE WORKPLACE, no violence in the workplace, and the importance of no intimidation or threats of any kind in the workplace.  The guy was a former FBI agent who was now making big money in a corporate gig, so after he read the canned statement he laughed and said he was required to go through the motions with me but he was a firearms guy, so we just talked about shotguns for a while.

I also got a call from my North America division lead (who I knew quite well) because he was notified.  I was a little pissed about that call because he was asking me "why do you need a gun", "aren't you worried about your kids seeing them", etc, etc.  It was none of his goddamn business, and there was no friggin reason for him to be involved AT ALL.  I played it cool and everything is fine, but I viewed that as the biggest intrusion/inappropriate part of the process.

[Bomber 376]

19 hours ago, marlintag said:

The Highland Park Police Department have sent letters and have called all of my employers.

Contrary to common belief around here some PD's do contact employers, my town is one of them.

Its an insidious question and shitty for the PD's to call since employment is supposedly not a condition for approval. 

That question was deliberately put there to discourage certain people from applying and possibly cause issues with their employer if they do. 

[Bomber 376]

3 hours ago, 124gr9mm said:

I tried that approach, but instead of calling, my PD sent a form letter (that looked like it had been Xerox copied about 1000 times) to the attention of the "HR Department" at my office mailing address.

I work for a global company with over 200,000 employees, so the letter literally made it halfway around the world and up through several layers of leadership while they figured out what to do with it.

I eventually got a call from our regional "security Director" who advised me of our firm's policy on NO FIREARMS IN THE WORKPLACE, no violence in the workplace, and the importance of no intimidation or threats of any kind in the workplace.  

I also got a call from my North America division lead (who I knew quite well) because he was notified.  I was a little pissed about that call because he was asking me "why do you need a gun", "aren't you worried about your kids seeing them", etc, etc.   I played it cool and everything is fine, but I viewed that as the biggest intrusion/inappropriate part of the process.

The above situation is why I can see many people getting to the employer question and not taking their FID application any further.

(124gr9mm- Rest assured the calls received and your firearm ownership have all been duly noted in your company personnel file.)

[FDHog 232]

A buddy of mine has been waiting 3 months so far for his FID in Red Bank. I got my last 3 PtP in 19 days in Highlands.

Trying to find handguns is another story.

[124gr9mm 412]

29 minutes ago, Bomber said:

The above situation is why I can see many people getting to the employer question and not taking their FID application any further.

(124gr9mm- Rest assured the calls received and your firearm ownership have all been duly noted in your company personnel file.)

Oh I'm sure there's a copy of the form letter on file.  The former FBI guy confirmed it.

He also confirmed that it doesn't really have any significance as there's no flag for "firearms owner" or anything like that.  That's why it went to the moon and back before I talked to anyone.  They didn't quite know what to do with it.

I'm almost 20 years with the firm so i'm not really worried about it, but I absolutely agree with your sentiment that people would be scared away if they knew they'd have to have a conversation with their boss/leadership about owning guns.

Particularly if you're with a smaller or more vocal anti 2A company, it could be a very difficult conversation.