Hawaii: Challenge to carry permit

[CMJeepster 2,778]

Hawaii Rejects Second Amendment Interpretation in Landmark Decision (msn.com)

Could this get the ball rolling in other places?  That might be interesting to watch.

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

You need to read through this Twitter/X "lowlights" thread - There is some outrageous stuff in the Judge's opinion:

https://nitter.1d4.us/MorosKostas/status/1755348777446314398#m

 

[JackDaWack 2,895]

I haven't read the ruling, but Bruen was very clear that permits were "constitutional". 

[124gr9mm 859]

10 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

I haven't read the ruling, but Bruen was very clear that permits were "constitutional". 

This.

Bruen allowed for permits, dude in Hawaii was carrying without one.

Judge seems like a hipster douchebag based on his comments...

[b47356 21]

10 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

I haven't read the ruling, but Bruen was very clear that permits were "constitutional". 

One of the problems in this ruling - besides the total rejection of SCOTUS 2A rulings - is that they said he should of applied for a license - back in 2017, when HI didn't give licenses to civilians (like NJ, CA, etc..)

[father-of-three 243]

So he was charged with carrying a firearm/handgun in 2017 without a license?  I'm sure Hawaii was another "may( never) issue" state like we had here.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

18 minutes ago, b47356 said:

One of the problems in this ruling - besides the total rejection of SCOTUS 2A rulings - is that they said he should of applied for a license - back in 2017, when HI didn't give licenses to civilians (like NJ, CA, etc..)

That's kinda how the law works. He would have applied, and when denied the constitutional issue has standing. 

[b47356 21]

1 hour ago, JackDaWack said:

That's kinda how the law works. He would have applied, and when denied the constitutional issue has standing. 

It really isn't.. Or you would have to get arrested to fight any law.

 

[JackDaWack 2,895]

1 hour ago, b47356 said:

It really isn't.. Or you would have to get arrested to fight any law.

 

You basically do.... 

Proving you have standing otherwise has shown to be extremely difficult as they work on hypothetical situations that have to basically be certain to occur. 

Either way, he still would have had to most likely meet the requirements of the current permitting system, and also been denied a permit under their "draconian" system. 

 

Say he met all the requirements except for a "justifiable need" and was thus denied, I would say he easily has standing if he was arrested while carrying. That's what Bruen was explicit on. 

[45Doll 5,877]

So say "Aloha" to  your gun rights, at least in Hawaii.

Hawaiian Court Cites Little-Known 'Spirit of Aloha' Clause to Deny Gun Rights – PJ Media

 

[Displaced Texan 11,748]

10 hours ago, 45Doll said:

So say "Aloha" to  your gun rights, at least in Hawaii.

Hawaiian Court Cites Little-Known 'Spirit of Aloha' Clause to Deny Gun Rights – PJ Media

 

That judge needs to be kicked off the bench. 

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

4 hours ago, Displaced Texan said:

That judge needs to be kicked off the bench. 

It wasn't just 1 judge.

It was a unanimous decision by the Hawaii Supreme Court.

The insanity that surrounds us just fucking amazes me sometimes.

[father-of-three 243]

The irony is that I'm sure those judges have absolutely no problem with first amendment rights in "the founding era's culture."

[siderman 1,138]

File a complaint about the states Supremes with Hawaii's Commission of Judicial Conduct. There it will be scrutinized by members appointed by the Supremes themselves. Easy peezy.

[Jon K 32]

Democrats never pay attention to laws they don't like, after all, they control the justice department, so who is going to charge them. Always make excuses why they can't, like too Feeble to convict.....

[45Doll 5,877]

Here's a more in depth review. Perhaps the whole state would like to say 'Aloha'!

Hawaii and the spirit of Aloha - American Thinker

"Article I, section 17 of the Hawaii Constitution mirrors the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution," the Hawaii Supreme Court decision states. "We read those words differently than the current United States Supreme Court. We hold that in Hawaii there is no state constitutional right to carry a firearm in public."

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

Does this mean, in a 'John Belushi was right in 1941' sort of way, that we need to have the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor ??

Maybe Joe can talk to his buddy, the German President Mitterand and arrange it ?

Shake those coconut trees into compliance  ! !

Damn those rebels !!

[tjs3023 19]

Hawaii can say aloha to my tourist dollars.