Thirty Pack Kayak 2 Posted January 27, 2010 I'm fairly new to the Forum, this is my fist post and I need some advice as to what to buy. Should I buy a Saiga and do a conversion, or buy an AK Variant. Which one would be legal in NJ and keep cost close to the cost of a saiga with the conversion and compliance parts? I'm looking for 7.62 X 39 right now. Any help would be great. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted January 27, 2010 Saigas are good to go. Anything else with AK in the name is banned from NJ by name.... so what you have avail..., off the top of my head, in order of best quality down... Vepr, Vepr K, Vepr 2 (around $1k) Build on the RPK receiver in Russia, no longer imported, only imported to the states a few years from 99 to 2001 by rob arms. Vepr 2 can take standard AK mags. Saiga - In a variety of calibers, decent build quality, made in russia. Wasr's - cheapest receivers, romanian. I believe there are also AMD's, etc. One nice one I have seen out of the box that is a good value is the EAA Pap or something... lunker had it, around $400? But it is a single stacker magazine... but the 10 rounders are nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted January 27, 2010 Keep an eye on the for sale forum here they pop up now and then I have picked up a couple at good prices Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coldsolderjoint 84 Posted January 27, 2010 Some of our vendors right here on the sight have Saiga's. I beleive one of them was even running a sale on the 7.62x39 version. I assume since you will be converting it, you know about the evil feature laws? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirty Pack Kayak 2 Posted January 28, 2010 Thanks for your input. Yes I understand the "evil" features and the compliance parts aspect. The only banned feature I'm looking for is a pistol grip in the right place, not way back on a skeleton stock. So maybe the Saiga is the way I will go, then do the conversion. Thanks again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petros600 12 Posted January 28, 2010 I believe PK90 had a special for $340 for Saiga 7,62x39 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe_D 0 Posted January 28, 2010 I have a Saiga, 7.62x39, that I bought from Paul (PK90) at Arms-N-Ammo. Solid build, (built by IZHMASH in Russia), reliable, never had a FTF or FTE in well over a year. It loves Wolf steel cased FMJs so it is fairly inexpensive to shoot a lot. Also, Paul is a great guy to deal with if you should decide to buy from him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted January 28, 2010 I have a Saiga, 7.62x39, that I bought from Paul (PK90) at Arms-N-Ammo. Solid build, (built by IZHMASH in Russia), reliable, never had a FTF or FTE in well over a year. It loves Wolf steel cased FMJs so it is fairly inexpensive to shoot a lot. Also, Paul is a great guy to deal with if you should decide to buy from him. an AK that has feeding issues is not an AK. the wolf stuff is really great for the price/value equation. the case being ejected by the rifle comes out at such force that it really doesnt matter. The way the brass also ejects, most of all gets caught against the corner of the ejection port which is what dings up the brass case... thus the "AK Slap". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 28, 2010 Get a Saiga from Paul on the site as others have suggested.. he is an awesome guy to deal with and really knows his stuff.. honest and fair! here are a couple of my Saigas out of the many i have built.. viewtopic.php?f=47&t=1048 if you need any help let me know and i can likely help you.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 28, 2010 I have a Saiga, 7.62x39, that I bought from Paul (PK90) at Arms-N-Ammo. Solid build, (built by IZHMASH in Russia), reliable, never had a FTF or FTE in well over a year. It loves Wolf steel cased FMJs so it is fairly inexpensive to shoot a lot. Also, Paul is a great guy to deal with if you should decide to buy from him. an AK that has feeding issues is not an AK. the wolf stuff is really great for the price/value equation. the case being ejected by the rifle comes out at such force that it really doesnt matter. The way the brass also ejects, most of all gets caught against the corner of the ejection port which is what dings up the brass case... thus the "AK Slap". you can fix that slap if you really want to... you just need to put that door trim stuff on the edge where the brass is hitting.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jsko 0 Posted January 28, 2010 I got an Arsenal SGL20 its a Saiga 7.62x39, Henderson Defense made it NJ legal for me only cost and extra 50. I love the thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aggopian 0 Posted February 17, 2010 Buy a PSL MAKE BIG BOOM!!!! ....... or not Seriously Arsenal is the way to go IMHO. A little more money but quality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirty Pack Kayak 2 Posted February 17, 2010 Ok I bought a Saiga from PK 90 good guy to deal with as everyone said. I'm planning on shooting it a couple of times then probably move the trigger forward and adding the pistol grip. Probably wait until spring when the workshop is a little warmer. Thanks to everyone for their advice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 18, 2010 Ok I bought a Saiga from PK 90 good guy to deal with as everyone said. I'm planning on shooting it a couple of times then probably move the trigger forward and adding the pistol grip. Probably wait until spring when the workshop is a little warmer. Thanks to everyone for their advice. if you have any questions or need any help.. feel free to PM me.. its good you are shooting it before converting so you can see the trigger in stock form.. once you convert it, the rifle will be ENTIRELY different.. good luck with it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RV-Ted 0 Posted February 21, 2010 Hey Thirty Pack, I just noticed you were in Millville? I'm in Hopewell, just outside of Bridgeton. Where do you shoot? I'm a member at Quinten Sportsmen's Club. I have a Saiga in .223 with the factory skeleton stock, no other mods. I may look into trading over to a 7.62 version as I have a M&P15 for my .223 needs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 21, 2010 Hey Thirty Pack, I just noticed you were in Millville? I'm in Hopewell, just outside of Bridgeton. Where do you shoot? I'm a member at Quinten Sportsmen's Club. I have a Saiga in .223 with the factory skeleton stock, no other mods. I may look into trading over to a 7.62 version as I have a M&P15 for my .223 needs! that 7.62 ammo seems to be getting cheaper and more available again... so might not be a bad idea.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 22, 2010 Ok I bought a Saiga from PK 90 good guy to deal with as everyone said. I'm planning on shooting it a couple of times then probably move the trigger forward and adding the pistol grip. Probably wait until spring when the workshop is a little warmer. Thanks to everyone for their advice. Thinking about buying one from Paul too. And I would be moving the grip and trigger too. Gotta post some before and after pics thirty pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites