Bill to repeal One Gun a Month

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

I heard from a reliable source, that ANJRPC is behind the bill (A-2857) to repeal the One Gun a Month law. Just a little something for people to think about if they feel that the ANJRPC does nothing. That being said........

 

Now for the slap of reality, not sure if this bill will make any traction, but once it's officially filed, and placed with a subcommittee, maybe we can create a standard letter for folks to sign and send to people on that committee. Also with Steve Sweeney (D), with where he is, this bill just might get some traction. I personally would love to see Fred *One Gun a Month* Madden vote in support of this bill.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

What you might see come out of this effort on ANJRPC's efforts is true exemptions. IIRC, the basis of this bill is that the original intent was to create meaningful exemptions from the bill's mandates so that it would have minimal impact on legitimate gunowners. The challenge is that the legislature and the NJSP have failed in that regard. To actually apply for and be granted an exemption, theoretically, would take longer than if you bought one gun, waited 30 days and bought the other. It will be interesting to see where this bill goes. The best thing we can do is to make sure that we vote those people out of office that saddled us with this draconian POS to begin with. Especially Madden. JMHO.

 

Adios,

 

PIzza Bob

[FFDP82 4]

I think with one gun a mont hon the books now, the best thing to do to improve gun "rights" would be to use the OGAM bill as a reform tool.

 

As all purchases require a NICS anyway, and you can only buy one gun a month anyway, and all handguns are registered, the best course of action would be to use this logic to abolish the pistol permit system. Realistically, the legislature could be possibly convinced to do away with pistol permits, and instead perhaps tack another form onto the purchase process, like the COE for long guns.

 

Call it the NJ PCOE. You walk into the gun shop, show an FID card/DL. Then you fill out a 4473 and PCOE, get a NICS check and walk out the door. The form can get distributed the usual way just like the current one does. And the same form could be used for private sales as well.

 

It's still bull, it's still not constitutional, but it at least abolishes the need to wait months, fingerprints, etc. "cluster-____" that buying a handgun currently is. The current system is entirely outdated, and kept around only because it discourages lawful gun ownership.

[stronski 0]

Now for the slap of reality, not sure if this bill will make any traction, but once it's officially filed, and placed with a subcommittee, maybe we can create a standard letter for folks to sign and send to people on that committee.

 

A form letter carries little weight. Gather several hundred handwritten letters and drop them all at once on John Girgenti's and Gordon Johnson's desk.

 

If we sent one person to each shooting range in the state on a Saturday or Sunday for a couple of hours, you might be able to get a thousand people to support the issue.

[Guest]

I appreciate the enthusiasm shown here, but dont forget you are in NJ. Guns are not wanted here, legally of course.

If you are a criminal, its no problem to carry.

People had their chance to vote them out last year and didnt, now we are stuck with our welfare giving, freedom hating legislature.

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

Although I share megaman's negative feelings toward the people who have legislated our rights away, I don't think we should give up. Even if it turned out to be a waste of time, I think it is worth the effort to continue the fight. Nothing is ever won by giving up.

 

Frank

[Malsua 1,422]

I think it is worth the effort to continue the fight. Nothing is ever won by giving up.

 

 

The other issue is that if the gun banners aren't fighting us on the defensive, they'll come at us on the offensive. Nature abhors a vacuum. If they aren't busy trying to fight these things, they will find some way to harry us.

[Guest]

Well look at the new BAFTE ruling, now you need to fill out a federal form to loan a gun to someone.

Look at the NJAG's attempt to squash the OGAM lawsuit by the ANJRPC, look at them tell people they can no longer receive CMP surplus rifles at home any more...

I would never give up, but the reality is if we keep these people in power, this is what we will get.

Now when I go to the OGAM hearing and only 20 or so people showed up, or when I went to the Legislatures meet n greet on 2/2/10 and there is NOONE talking about second amendment rights, I have to wonder if the gun owners in NJ are lazy, too young to get it, very busy, or dont give a crap and will hope someone else speaks up.

 

Its a shame that we all sit back on the forum (and I LOVE the forum) and talk about it, but everyone goes to work on monday and forgets about it....thats the name of the game in NJ.

YOU NEED TO VOTE THESE PEOPLE OUT, STARTING TUESDAY VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES...

[FFDP82 4]

Well look at the new BAFTE ruling, now you need to fill out a federal form to loan a gun to someone.

 

The recent ruling only effects gun writers, testers, etc.

 

ATF posted a ruling declaring any shipment of a firearm by a manufacturer (FFL) to any agent or business (e.g., an engineering-design firm, patent lawyer, testing lab, gun writer, etc.) for a bona fide business purpose to be a

[KpdPipes 388]

Well look at the new BAFTE ruling, now you need to fill out a federal form to loan a gun to someone.

Look at the NJAG's attempt to squash the OGAM lawsuit by the ANJRPC, look at them tell people they can no longer receive CMP surplus rifles at home any more...

I would never give up, but the reality is if we keep these people in power, this is what we will get.

Now when I go to the OGAM hearing and only 20 or so people showed up, or when I went to the Legislatures meet n greet on 2/2/10 and there is NOONE talking about second amendment rights, I have to wonder if the gun owners in NJ are lazy, too young to get it, very busy, or dont give a crap and will hope someone else speaks up.

 

Its a shame that we all sit back on the forum (and I LOVE the forum) and talk about it, but everyone goes to work on monday and forgets about it....thats the name of the game in NJ.

YOU NEED TO VOTE THESE PEOPLE OUT, STARTING TUESDAY VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES...

 

What you seem to keep forgetting is that we are the minority here in NJ..by a large margin. The MAJORITY of people dont Care one way or the other about Gun Rights. tghe MAJORITY, if they own guns at all, are the type that have a Revolver in their dresser drawer for 30 years and havent taken it to the range since they bought it, and still have the original box of ammo, or, they are the TRUE "Fudds" who, as long as their deer/bird shotguns arent targeted, donr GARA about any other types of firearms. MOST people are of the "Why do you need one of Those" variety in this state..which is WHY there has never been a challenge by the masses to NJ's gun laws. The Truth is the Anti's dont HAVE to work all that hard to mess with us..all they have to do is point out the Anti-gin Media and Press stories about criminals and the Same Sheep that vote in the politicians Bleat merrily away with the "Guns are Bad" Mantra.

[The_Matrix 105]

Its true. The majority of the people just don't care about guns. My friends and co-workers know I love guns, but I notice they do not have an interest in owning one nor shooting one. I take them shooting and show them my toys, but they are simply not into it. That's life. Everyone has their own hobbies. For example, I am not a big sports guy myself no matter how the majority of guys love and talk about sports all day long.

[Guest]

Well look at the new BAFTE ruling, now you need to fill out a federal form to loan a gun to someone.

 

The recent ruling only effects gun writers, testers, etc.

 

ATF posted a ruling declaring any shipment of a firearm by a manufacturer (FFL) to any agent or business (e.g., an engineering-design firm, patent lawyer, testing lab, gun writer, etc.) for a bona fide business purpose to be a

[Guest]

Well look at the new BAFTE ruling, now you need to fill out a federal form to loan a gun to someone.

 

The recent ruling only effects gun writers, testers, etc.

 

ATF posted a ruling declaring any shipment of a firearm by a manufacturer (FFL) to any agent or business (e.g., an engineering-design firm, patent lawyer, testing lab, gun writer, etc.) for a bona fide business purpose to be a

[stronski 0]

What you seem to keep forgetting is that we are the minority here in NJ..by a large margin. The MAJORITY of people dont Care one way or the other about Gun Rights.

 

Wrong and wrong again.

 

I don' know what pesimistic, low worth circles you travel in, but everyone that I talk to tells me that they are not olbligated to submit to an assault, rape or robbery. They also tell me that they are worthy people whose lives have value and are not willing to trade their lives for criminal gain.

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

I'm with stronski on this.

 

Frank

[tommy3rd 132]

everyone that I talk to tells me that they are not olbligated to submit to an assault, rape or robbery. They also tell me that they are worthy people whose lives have value and are not willing to trade their lives for criminal gain.

Now if you can only talk them into signing a petition to make our state a "shall issue" state when it comes to CCW then we're all set. How about start with the petition to repeal the one gun a month law? Once you add the word "gun" into the conversation you'll see the difference in their opinions.

[stronski 0]

Once you add the word "gun" into the conversation you'll see the difference in their opinions.

 

No they don't because you place them in the correct scenario where the use of deadly force is the only option.

 

This is where the legislature helped us out...Kyleigh's law. Nearly every parent of a teenage daughter loathes the idea of identifying to the criminal element that there is a young, inexperienced, unworldly, often times alone young lady behind the wheel of a car.

 

The threat of rape, robbery and assault whether real or imagined was now on everyone's doorstep.

 

Can 16 and 17 year old's carry a handgun for self-defense? No. But for the first time, the threat of real criminal activity was brought into the lives and parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents and self-preservation was at the forefront.

[georgemc 18]

Just received this email alert from the NRA newsletter:

 

 

 

New Jersey Politicians Want A List of NRA Members

and their Employers!

 

 

 

In a blatant attempt by entrenched New Jersey politicians to strong arm citizens who oppose their re-election, Assemblywoman Linda Greenstein (D-14) and her co-sponsors have introduced legislation which would require certain contributors to "issue advocacy organizations", including the NRA, to have their names, addresses and their employers information sent to the government.

 

A2595, if passed, will mandate that any "issue advocacy organization" classified under IRS Code as a 501© (3), 501 © (4) or 527 that engages in the election or defeat of any person to State or local elective office; the passage or defeat of any public question; or that provides political information on any candidate, must submit the names and addresses of contributors and their employers to the Election Law Enforcement Commission.

 

Not only is Assemblywoman Greenstein (D-14) the prime sponsor of A2595, but she is also the Chair of the committee that will hear the bill. The Assembly Judiciary Committee will hear the bill on Monday, June 14th at 10:00 am.

 

A2595 is a shameless attempt to intimidate citizens who engage in the legislative and political process.

 

 

Please contact your Assembly members today and urge him or her to oppose A2595!

 

 

 

Assembly Judiciary Committee:

 

Linda R. Greenstein (D-14)- Chair

 

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Annette Quijano (D-20)- Vice Chair

 

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Ralph R. Caputo (D-28)

 

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Michael Patrick Carroll (R-25)

 

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Caroline Casagrande (R-12)

 

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Louis D. Greenwald (D-6)

 

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Reed Gusciora (D-15)

 

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[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

If you are unsure of who your representatives are, you can go to the following link, and click the appropriate area on the map. Choose one of your legislators, and on their page click "Contact You Legislator(s)". This will bring you to a page where you can select all the reps for your district, and send a message to all of them at once:

 

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/districts/njmap210.html

 

For District 9

Senator CHRISTOPHER J. CONNORS - Republican (609) 693-6700

Assemblywoman DIANNE C. GOVE - Republican (609) 693-6700

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[joejaxx 38]

Here are two links to the original two bills listed:

 

A-2857 - Eliminates prohibition against purchasing more than one handgun in calendar month.

Source: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2010/Bills/A3000/2857_I1.HTM

 

Synopsis:

This bill would amend the law that restricts the number of handguns that a person may purchase or a dealer may sell within any 30-day period. The bill would allow the purchase of handguns by law-abiding individuals without any restrictions on the number of handguns purchased.

 

A-2858 - Repeals certain restrictions on future retail sales of handguns.

Source: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2010/Bills/A3000/2858_I1.HTM

 

Synopsis:

This bill repeals P.L.2002, c.130, which imposed restrictions on future retail sales of handguns in this State. The bill eliminates the requirement that New Jersey firearms dealers may sell only personalized handguns after the Attorney General declares that personalized handguns are available for retail sale.

[mipafox 438]

I heard from a reliable source, that ANJRPC is behind the bill (A-2857) to repeal the One Gun a Month law. Just a little something for people to think about if they feel that the ANJRPC does nothing. That being said........

 

Now for the slap of reality, not sure if this bill will make any traction, but once it's officially filed, and placed with a subcommittee, maybe we can create a standard letter for folks to sign and send to people on that committee. Also with Steve Sweeney (D), with where he is, this bill just might get some traction. I personally would love to see Fred *One Gun a Month* Madden vote in support of this bill.

 

Maybe you can also go down there and talk to them about it. My understanding from this forum is that nobody ever does. So maybe they will find it refreshing. Or disturbing.

[mikelets456 78]

everyone that I talk to tells me that they are not olbligated to submit to an assault, rape or robbery. They also tell me that they are worthy people whose lives have value and are not willing to trade their lives for criminal gain.

Now if you can only talk them into signing a petition to make our state a "shall issue" state when it comes to CCW then we're all set. How about start with the petition to repeal the one gun a month law? Once you add the word "gun" into the conversation you'll see the difference in their opinions.

 

Really? Lets put it this way, when I got my FID right before Bambi got into office our local police officer told me they were doing about 2 FID cards a week... Yes, PER WEEK and possibly less. He said they (at that time) they were doing 5 per day!!! When I applied for more permits right around Christmas I asked how pistol permits were "going". He told me they were still going strong at 5 per day or more!!!

 

Going from 2 per week to 5 per day does not sound people don't care does it. I think the total opposite is happening and people are waking up and realizing the history and reason behind the 2A, I am one of those people. Also, the range I have been going to says they continue to sell hand guns and AR's like never before. People are realizing the importance of the 2A and the reason our forefathers made sure it is one right that is NEVER infringed!!

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

I agree wholeheartedly with Mike. That is why I think *NOW* is the time to organize.

[lexcruiser 13]

Don't mean to side track the discussion, but is the current one gun a month bill applicable to handguns only or long guns as well?

Meaning, if I bought a handgun last week, can I buy a long gun this week? Or still have to wait a month?

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Don't mean to side track the discussion, but is the current one gun a month bill applicable to handguns only or long guns as well?

Meaning, if I bought a handgun last week, can I buy a long gun this week? Or still have to wait a month?

 

Handguns only.

[mikelets456 78]

I agree wholeheartedly with Mike. That is why I think *NOW* is the time to organize.

 

 

Thanks FFPCS. I will tell you, we had to organize efforts about 3 years in our Township and it is a lot of work. However, if you can get a group of about 10-14 people to meet and brainstorm that is a great place to start. There are petitions, web sites, You tube links and so much more that the core group will be in charge of and then spread from there.

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

Mike, I have been thining of trying to start a small group down here in Ocean County. Unlike much of NJ, this area is highly Republican. Maybe we can open a few eyes and help to get the message across. Self defense, and self preservation are HUMAN rights. No one, and CERTAINLY not the goverment, which is mandated by the Constitution to PROTECT those rights, should be allowed to prevent law abiding people from owning guns.

[Z71 4]

dont beat me up to bad but;

Is it possible ogam will change? ,even after scoutus decides with mcdonald...ogam will be seen as reasonable...

 

the former nj AG joined with maryland and conn. in a brief, in support of chicago's ban agreeing that it is reasonable law .....then recently the new AG decides the cmp program needed to be better regulated.?...

 

its anyone's guess that, the hoops we jump through now may begin to look like dc laws....from what I can find, not 1 pro 2a bill in trenton has been offered up for a reading since being proposed back in jan.

[Frank Jack Fiamingo 58]

I have no doubt that you are right, Z. That was before people began to see the current administration for what it is. Mainstream Americans do not like socialism. That isn't what they thought they were getting, but that *IS* what they GOT! I personally think a LOT of eyes have been opened. So, although the past CAN be predictive of the future, traumatic events can cause people to wake up and act. I think the ONLY thing lack, is leadership. This forum is the most likely place for it to emerge.

[mipafox 438]

Lots of good ideas. Like now is the time to organize. Or send emails. Brainstorm.

 

Nobody likes my idea?