Idiots Opinion

[Guest megaman]

This op-ed piece was in the Record yesterday.

I sent the professors a nice letter explaining to them that basically the only liberals on crime are the ones who have not been robbed yet...But where are the facts?

These 2 professors are horribly inaccurate.

One of them is the lawyer who tried the Jersey City one gun a month law and was defeated in Superior Court.

She is obviously of the opinion that the right to bear arms belongs to the militia, or National Guard.

 

Here is the article....

 

http://www.northjersey.com/news/opinions/op-ed/guns_101010.html

[Guest megaman]

Here is my letter to the professors....

 

Professor,

 

I will keep this short as I am sure you have received a fullisade due to your lack of research here on this topic.

43 states have laws that allow citizens to carry. These states have low crime rates. These states have not experienced the 'wild west' that we were told about. None of those states have returned to their old permitting systems.

 

NY state is very easy to get a permit upstate. NYC is still Mayor Mike's kingdom.

Mass is similar to NJ in that there is a movement to restore rights.

Alabama honors permits from about 43 other states, and will issue a carry permit to pretty much anyone if they are not disqualified.

NJ is a NO ISSUE state. That will change very soon and it may not be up to the legislature. Legislative inaction has been the largest cost burden to NJ.

 

You point out that NJ is not a dangerous place, and does not have a lot of gun crime.

According to FBI Statistics for 2009, NJ is 16th in gun crime. Your research is false, or you are using very outdated statistics.

 

Gun crime in NJ is rampant. 43 states that allow carry have lower rates of crime. That is a fact. Direct from the FBI.

I would point you to FBI studies done on incarcerated individuals. One study points out that 100% of inmates stated they would not rob a house/commit assault/robbery if they knew it was a gun owner.

In NJ, (with the criminal and gang problem that has been allowed to flourish) criminals are 100% sure they will not be hurt in the commission of a crime. Now imagine a citizen who is trained in the use of a firearm. Your right to self defense is a very old concept, very mainstream. Your rights don't stop at the border of NJ.

Your case against Jersey City was dismissed for over reaching. The State governs gun laws, not the city of Jersey City. Corzine got his one vote for one gun a month by making promises that he could not keep.

Corzine also stated that the one gun a month law was going to be a decider for him in the election. Christie won handily. While we are aware the Christie is no fan of gun owners, we are aware that Christie is practical and will not bankrupt the state due to the landslide of lawsuits that are winding up on this issue alone. NJ will not be able to win that argument, and the cost will be to you and I as taxpayers.

 

When the second amendment is applied in the context of McDonald/Heller and taking into account a 300 years of gun ownership as a tradition in the USA, you will have no choice to but to comply with the law of the land. Routinely denying people for lack of 'cause' is out of step with current law. Why should I have to be connected to be able to carry a gun? Why do my rights in NJ stop at the border? Its not legal and will fall.

Your assertion that it is constitutional is not true. You cant just say something and it is true.

 

Carry is coming to NJ, I know you don't like it, but you may thank someone for it one day.

As they say, "The only liberals on crime are the ones who have not been robbed yet'

As a professor, please do a bit more research on the topic. You misunderstand the arguments here as well as you have descended into the same argument that has been used for decades, 'Someone will get hurt'

and "think of the kids" I am thinking of the kids. I want them to understand basic common law concepts.

Cars are dangerous as well and sometimes get into the wrong hands with tragic results, so does fast food, cigarettes, lighters, scissors, books...etc...you get my point.

NJ law will NOT pass constitutional muster for a fact and legislative inaction will force the judiciary to follow the law. The only cost will be to the taxpayers who will have to foot the bill for NJ to defend a lost cause.

Then we will enjoy lower crime rates as the police are not obligated to save you every time you call and are minutes away when seconds count.

[Destinydog 9]

Brilliant!

[Parker 213]

Nice letter.

 

I posted this same NorthJersey link on NJH yesterday. Not a soul commented on it, which surprised me a bit. Pretty amazing how someone can get a front page on the Op-Ed section of The Record and spin a one-sided tale, patting themselves on the back along the way. New Jersey can be a safe state provided you review the numbers in the context they convey them. But one should look at FBI stats from 2009. I used this table from the FBI website (http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_20.html) and then sorted their file with the worst state at the top leading the U.S. in murders. Pretty interesting where New Jersey falls in the U.S.

 

[NicePants 58]

Well, it's definitely clear from this data that the state with the least amount of gun control (Vermont) also has the least amount of crime. Who else wants to move right now?

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Vermont is nice, but boring. I grew up there. Parents still have 2 houses up there too. Nice for visits/vacations though

[Guest megaman]

Vermont would drive an NJ resident nuts, its nice, but really poor...most people on welfare in the USA...

No need to rob up there, everyone is broke and strapped.

[bulpup 98]

I would have thought PA would do better,

[vjf915 456]

Nice letter. It actually brings up a good point too....it would be interesting to see the statistics on people who are killed by cars vs. people murdered by a person with a gun who is legally carrying.

[Malsua 1,422]

Not to be nitpicky...

 

According to FBI Statistics for 2009, NJ is 16th in gun crime. Your research is false, or you are using very outdated statistics.

 

Gun crime in NJ is rampant. 43 states that allow carry have lower rates of crime.

 

16+43 = 59. Your meaning may be different but prima facie your stats are wrong.

 

NY state is very easy to get a permit upstate

I have a good friend who has a house up in Geneva and has owned it for 3 years. He lives in Florida and Geneva. He made an appointment to see his local Sheriff about carry and was told that since he hasn't lived there 5 years, chances are high he'd be denied.

 

As to your main purpose of your letter, I applaud the effort but dealing with people like this professor is pointless. They're convinced of what they're convinced of. You're just wasting time dealing with them.

[Parker 213]

Not to be nitpicky...

 

According to FBI Statistics for 2009, NJ is 16th in gun crime. Your research is false, or you are using very outdated statistics.

 

Gun crime in NJ is rampant. 43 states that allow carry have lower rates of crime.

 

 

16+43 = 59. Your meaning may be different but prima facie your stats are wrong.

 

 

I think Megaman forgot to qualify that ranking as "murders," not gun crime in his letter. Per FBI data compiled from 2009 UCR reporting data defined as "total murders" by weapon, all types; N.J. ranks 16th in the nation. If you are equating overall "crime" stats which are lower in states that carry, that is different than the argument presented.

 

All violent crime by state for 2009:

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_05.html

 

BTW - I thought this table was interesting too, "Justifiable Homicide by Weapon, Private Citizen,1 2005–2009":

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_15.html

[vjf915 456]

Right, and in one statement he is referring to gun crime, and in the other, simply crime.

[djg0770 481]

The word is fusillade. When dealing with a "professor" it's important to utilize good grammar.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Vermont would drive an NJ resident nuts, its nice, but really poor...most people on welfare in the USA...

No need to rob up there, everyone is broke and strapped.

 

Really? Where do you get that info from? I lived up there for 18 years and my parents still do. There's no inner city populations or ghettos up there. The worst part that I've seen was the Old North End in Burlington.

 

Found this article after a quick google search:

http://www.suite101.com/content/poverty-in-vermont-a61139

With a poverty rate of 8.7%, Vermont has the 4th lowest poverty rate in the United States. This is just slightly better than the poverty rate of Hawaii, and just slightly higher than the poverty rate of New Jersey.

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Really? Where do you get that info from? I lived up there for 18 years and my parents still do. There's no inner city populations or ghettos up there. The worst part that I've seen was the Old North End in Burlington.

 

Found this article after a quick google search:

http://www.suite101.com/content/poverty-in-vermont-a61139

 

 

The only stat that should count and one I would be extremely interested in seeing is how many (nationwide) gun murders or even crimes have been committed by licensed CCW holders.

 

THAT should be interesting.

[vjf915 456]

Agreed!!!

[matty 810]

Really? Where do you get that info from? I lived up there for 18 years and my parents still do. There's no inner city populations or ghettos up there. The worst part that I've seen was the Old North End in Burlington.

 

Found this article after a quick google search:

http://www.suite101.com/content/poverty-in-vermont-a61139

 

I am not sure where yer talking about in Burlington, I have been to Burlington about a dozen times over the last 20 years or so, but I cant imagine there being much in the way of crime there, unless you count old hippies electing Socialists a crime. Or giant piles of cow poop stinking up the countryside

[Krdshrk 3,877]

I am not sure where yer talking about in Burlington, I have been to Burlington about a dozen times over the last 20 years or so, but I cant imagine there being much in the way of crime there, unless you count old hippies electing Socialists a crime. Or giant piles of cow poop stinking up the countryside

 

Yeah it's the north side of the city where there's nothing around really. It's not that bad there. The biggest news in like the past 10 years is a double murder suicide that happened at a chinese restaurant. That was like 8 years ago. Wasn't even in Burlington either - was just outside.

[Guest megaman]

Holy crap!

Thanks for the grammar tips.

You guys are right. I should go back to grammar school.

 

But Vermont is not a crime ridden state, I never said that.

I said it was a poor state with lots of people on welfare, (maybe not the most people on welfare, but in the top 5 for recipients...

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31910310/The_Biggest_US_Welfare_States?slide=12

 

I am doing what those tricky lawyers do, manipulate facts. There are 2 sets of statistics I was referring to.

 

Now write your own dam letter to these morons...

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