S 2190

[ianargent 7]

You can get a FID at 18, and it doesn't have all the gee-whiz antitamper stuff or the 5 year expiration or other stuff. Which just goes to show, this ought to have been a modification to the existing FID to say "if over 21, FID holder may use this in place of PPP at FFL". Dame effect, really

[kenw 293]

You can get a FID at 18, and it doesn't have all the gee-whiz antitamper stuff or the 5 year expiration or other stuff. Which just goes to show, this ought to have been a modification to the existing FID to say "if over 21, FID holder may use this in place of PPP at FFL". Dame effect, really

It wouldn't have had to say anything. PPP wouldn't be required at an FFL. Ever.

 

You can't buy a handgun unless you're 21, PPP or not, and your driver's license is enough proof of age.

[NJ609 22]

It's time NJ caught up with the rest of the country, and then we can stop saying things like "free states", and "you can do that in America, but not in NJ". Then we will have won.

 

Honestly if that day ever occurs I wouldn't consider leaving NJ anymore. Taxes are high but the location is good as long as they are not robbing us of our constitutional rights.

 

To think that we could be part of America at some point is a Big Deal.

[hopper 36]

So Madden is now going to meet with ANJRPC/NRA. They are looking to exclude holders of HPP's from OGAM. This is good news.

The senator is seeing the writing on the wall, and is aware that our permitting system is illegal based on Heller.

The lawsuit from the SAF will be decided as early as 3/11 trust me on that one folks.

We are having some positive momentum in NJ.

Dont bash the HPP card. You dont need to apply for PPP's anymore. Your HPP will very soon become a carry license as NJ will have to become shall issue. There is no way around it.

Wow , i just got all warm and tingly !!!!!

[kenw 293]

Pending everyone's comments, this will be going out today by mail.

Dear Senator __________,

 

 

 

I am writing in support of S2190, the Bill that revises the current system of legal handgun purchase by residents of New Jersey.

 

Overall, the suggested revisions seem a reasonable and evenhanded approach to modifying a system that currently serves not only to raise the barriers of entry to legal gun ownership and participation in shooting related sports and activities in New Jersey, but has also become an easy way for individual municipalities and local officials to inject their personal politics and opinions into a procedure that was initially intended to be standardized throughout the state.

 

By eliminating even one of the unnecessary and redundant administrative hurdles to legal gun ownership, while still ensuring that any person who is ineligible to legally purchase firearms may not do so, the new system will somewhat reduce the emotional and monetary burden on individuals who wish to join and participate in the New Jersey shooting community, and will go a long way towards preventing local officials and municipalities from capriciously delaying or even denying eligible individuals the right to legally purchase firearms.

 

There are portions of the Bill whose wording is vague and unclear, such as the requirement that an applicant be “a person of good character and good repute in the community in which they live”, as well as not tightly defining the requirements for periodic renewal, and I trust that as the Bill moves through the Legislative process, these vagaries will be addressed, and that the individual’s compliance requirements to them will be specified in greater detail.

 

As an active member of the New Jersey recreational shooting community, I applaud and support even this small first step forward in easing the burdens on legal and law-abiding New Jersey gun owners, and I hope that with the passage of this Bill into Law, that the Legislature will be responsive to examining other current firearms laws and regulations that cause confusion and place unnecessary financial and compliance burdens on law-abiding citizens who wish only to be allowed to participate in their chosen hobby.

 

Thank you for your time, and best wishes.

 

 

 

Ken Weinrich

 

 

edit one.

[theRU 33]

Pending everyone's comments, this will be going out today by mail.

let them meet and ironout issues before you support soemthing

[djg0770 481]

"We've got to pass the bill to knows what is in it..."

[sig2009 3]

Dont forget you pay a tax on that 15$ fee...that has to be illegal...

 

This is no different than me having to pay a $6 fee on my Verizon home telephone bill for NOT making long distance calls.

[kenw 293]

let them meet and ironout issues before you support soemthing

I think it's important to show early support, if only to give them an indication that someone is aware of what's happening and is watching what they're doing.

 

If the bill changes dramatically enough that it becomes an additional burden, then more letters go out, not quite so supportive.

[PeteF 1,044]

Anyone else offended that our governemnt is wasting more of our money polishing a turd?

They are spending a crapload of time, effort and money coming up with new gun legislation that will be challenged in court eventually (shortly I hope). And when that challenge comes up, we have to pay again to have our state lawyers try and justify it. All this is is another way to siphon off money we (NJ) don't have, and redirect to some political cronies.

[damm834 0]

Proving "good character" should be just as easy as "take a look at my goddamn spotless criminal record."

 

It should be,... Just as it should be justifiable cause the fact that someone gets robbed at gun point and they ( The perps ) threaten to do it again... but they ( The Authorities ) still don't issue a CCW. The fact is they ( NJ BUREAUCRACY ) could easily turn it around on us and make it hurt us. It needs to be more clear. For instance I still don't know if I got to go through the same process every 2 to 5 years "if this joke ever passes" of getting finger printed and checked through FBI data , which I pay for ( for a constitutional right ), have two references which you cannot use twice, and last but not least the OVER-KILL on already dead citizen's right of "ONE GUN A MONTH" (like that ever hurt a criminal)...

 

For all means, its a good try, but if it passes like this it WILL bite us on the a**...

[Sigman 41]

I think this is a step in the right direction especially if this card will be used for shall issue CCW. Changing the current pistol permit app process will help in not having to apply for a permit for each pistol.

 

We will not get everything we want changed in one shot. This is liberal NJ and roots have been established over years of time. As some have stated, the pressure must be kept up to keep things moving in the right direction for us. Strike while the iron is hot.

 

The liberal Dem's do not believe in free America or our rights. They want total control of power over the people. The Dem's believe they know what is best for us. We are a small scale version of Obama Crime Inc.

[BigHayden 77]

Anyone else offended that our governemnt is wasting more of our money polishing a turd?

They are spending a crapload of time, effort and money coming up with new gun legislation that will be challenged in court eventually (shortly I hope). And when that challenge comes up, we have to pay again to have our state lawyers try and justify it. All this is is another way to siphon off money we (NJ) don't have, and redirect to some political cronies.

 

It's a better attempt than Van Drew's $100/yr. carry permit bill...

[djg0770 481]

It's a better attempt than Van Drew's $100/yr. carry permit bill...

 

This is not a carry bill. This is a requirement for even more bureaucracy. Yet ANOTHER card requiring yet ANOTHER background check with arguably vague language. Do you know that I am more concerned about my identity being stolen with all of the background checks I have been through in the past year than I am about shopping on the interwebs? Scary.

 

We already have a card, it's our FID. With a driver's license it gives everyone EVERYTHING that the current system does or any new system would do.

[PK90 3,573]

We already have a card, it's our FID. With a driver's license it gives everyone EVERYTHING that the current system does or any new system would do.

+1

[kenw 293]

This is not a carry bill. This is a requirement for even more bureaucracy. Yet ANOTHER card requiring yet ANOTHER background check with arguably vague language. Do you know that I am more concerned about my identity being stolen with all of the background checks I have been through in the past year than I am about shopping on the interwebs? Scary.

 

We already have a card, it's our FID. With a driver's license it gives everyone EVERYTHING that the current system does or any new system would do.

Nope, it isn't a carry bill. And you're right. It is a duplication of existing documentation. But, the Bill doesn't say anything other than with this new documentation (which I agree should be unnecessary) you may purchase a handgun at a gun shop without submitting yourself to the absurd and archaic PPP system that's in place now. That's all it says. Nothing about CCW. Nothing about eliminating the current FID card in favor of the new high tech card. Nothing about anything other than providing a small relief from an existing bureaucracy that we have to endure every time we go shopping. As far as it goes, it's not a bad thing.

 

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Or even the mediocre.

[ianargent 7]

+1 kenw

[DevsAdvocate 112]

If I have the time, I am going to do a 6-sigma treatment of NJ gun laws, and try to determine how much money can be saved for the state, how much is earned presently, and where useless redundancies are.

[BigHayden 77]

This is not a carry bill. This is a requirement for even more bureaucracy. Yet ANOTHER card requiring yet ANOTHER background check with arguably vague language. Do you know that I am more concerned about my identity being stolen with all of the background checks I have been through in the past year than I am about shopping on the interwebs? Scary.

 

We already have a card, it's our FID. With a driver's license it gives everyone EVERYTHING that the current system does or any new system would do.

 

For the record, I know this isn't a carry bill. I was simply stating that OGAMadden's HPID bill is better for us than Van Drew's borderline extortion bill being masqueraded as a carry bill.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

Fred Madden should hold a town hall on the issue.

[kenw 293]

Fred Madden should hold a town hall on the issue.

I think I like it slightly under the radar better. If he were to go massively public with it, I fear it would lead to its withdrawal. His constituents (who are not us) would skin him alive and nail his hide to the statehouse wall as a warning to all who may follow in his misguided footsteps.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

I think I like it slightly under the radar better. If he were to go massively public with it, I fear it would lead to its withdrawal. His constituents (who are not us) would skin him alive and nail his hide to the statehouse wall as a warning to all who may follow in his misguided footsteps.

 

fugg em'. And fugg him too. If this proposal dies, it's not like things are any worse. This by net worth is anti-gun, so his loss is our gain.

 

We deserve a voice to openly talk to him about the issue, and this would go further than his simple constituency.

[damm834 0]

fugg em'. And fugg him too. If this proposal dies, it's not like things are any worse. This by net worth is anti-gun, so his loss is our gain.

 

We deserve a voice to openly talk to him about the issue, and this would go further than his simple constituency.

 

+1 here... Well there is the question that is dreaded for gun owners "could it get any worse" sadly,usually it does.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

I think I like it slightly under the radar better. If he were to go massively public with it, I fear it would lead to its withdrawal. His constituents (who are not us) would skin him alive and nail his hide to the statehouse wall as a warning to all who may follow in his misguided footsteps.

 

Is Madden's district anti gun? I heard it wasn't hand and hoping Mr. One Gun a Month looses his seat next year.

 

Besides, if he does do a town hall, who says we can't go?

[kenw 293]

+1 here... Well there is the question that is dreaded for gun owners "could it get any worse" sadly,usually it does.

We stopped asking "Can it get any worse?".

 

Now the question is "How much worse is it gonna get?" And, in spite of that cynical perspective, we're always surprised by just how much worse it gets.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

We stopped asking "Can it get any worse?".

 

Now the question is "How much worse is it gonna get?" And, in spite of that cynical perspective, we're always surprised by just how much worse it gets.

 

Screw Madden, he fucked us over, why should we go easy on him now? This bill sucks. It's not an improvement, and it's just not worth it.

 

I say we emulate PA's gun laws. That should be our goal, and press that thought into the skulls of these empty-headed politicians.

[kenw 293]

Screw Madden, he fucked us over, why should we go easy on him now? This bill sucks. It's not an improvement, and it's just not worth it.

 

I say we emulate PA's gun laws. That should be our goal, and press that thought into the skulls of these empty-headed politicians.

I've looked, and I have yet to find the "New Jersey Firearms Regulation Omnibus Bill" that you want to see on the legislative docket.

 

You know, the one piece of legislation that undoes every line of existing law so that it reads exactly the way you want it to, including Constitutional Carry, a revised Castle Doctrine Law, Civil and Criminal Immunity, the complete repeal of the AWB, OGAM, all ammunition restrictions, and any and all restrictions regarding capacity or firearm type, up to and including personal shoulder mounted missile launchers.

 

I may have missed it. I'll look again.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

I've looked, and I have yet to find the "New Jersey Firearms Regulation Omnibus Bill" that you want to see on the legislative docket.

 

You know, the one piece of legislation that undoes every line of existing law so that it reads exactly the way you want it to, including Constitutional Carry, a revised Castle Doctrine Law, Civil and Criminal Immunity, the complete repeal of the AWB, OGAM, all ammunition restrictions, and any and all restrictions regarding capacity or firearm type, up to and including personal shoulder mounted missile launchers.

 

I may have missed it. I'll look again.

 

And we probably won't see that. But I see no reason to accept table scraps from our great Legislative masters. If Fred Madden is really in trouble in his district over OGAM, then we should dictate the terms to save his reputation, not him. Otherwise, he can take this bill and shove it up his fat a**. I'd rather take nothing than more BS.

[Sigman 41]

Screw Madden, he fucked us over, why should we go easy on him now? This bill sucks. It's not an improvement, and it's just not worth it.

 

I say we emulate PA's gun laws. That should be our goal, and press that thought into the skulls of these empty-headed politicians.

 

Emulate PA's gun laws - just like that? That's the idea, but it's not goona happen in one shot. You do realize this is the Peoples Socialist Republic of New Jersey controlled by liberal Dem's. Any type of firearm's law change in our favor is a big step and will be fought with opposition along the way.

 

The media will come against it big time. Most people in this state are ignorant about guns in general, not gun friendly mostly from mis-information and media spin. I wouldn't want a spot light on this.

 

I vote for small increments at a time with heavy pressure.

[BRN169 6]

Nope, it isn't a carry bill. And you're right. It is a duplication of existing documentation. But, the Bill doesn't say anything other than with this new documentation (which I agree should be unnecessary) you may purchase a handgun at a gun shop without submitting yourself to the absurd and archaic PPP system that's in place now. That's all it says. Nothing about CCW. Nothing about eliminating the current FID card in favor of the new high tech card. Nothing about anything other than providing a small relief from an existing bureaucracy that we have to endure every time we go shopping. As far as it goes, it's not a bad thing.

 

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Or even the mediocre.

 

Nope not that Baa-d at all... Baa