CZ Scorpion NJ legal?

[charleslee 44]

Is the CZ Scopion pistol NJ legal? Thank you?

[tony357 386]

pretty cool gun, that would be awsome in 22lr.

 

http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/86-law-enforcement-military/OS-AUT/CZ_SCORPION_EVO_3_A1.aspx

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Violates the two evil features: 1) A magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; and, 2) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm, plus it has what might be construed as a barrel shroud.

[johnp 45]

Isn't the folding stock also evil?

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Isn't the folding stock also evil?

 

The civilian, semi-automatic version of the Skorpian does not have a folding stock. If it did, it would be a SBR and need an NFA tax stamp in a free state. Not legal at all in NJ.

[Xeroiz 0]

Not to mention the barrel 196 mm which is only 7 3/4 inches long

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Not to mention the barrel 196 mm which is only 7 3/4 inches long

 

Uhhh, that's why it becomes a SBR when a stock is attached

[Maksim 1,504]

I believe there is a version of something like it, ah wait, the Draco? that is nj legal, and came in under weight limit.

[civictuner04 6]

max im pretty sure the draco is a no go b/c of weight.... i was just thinking that what if you ordered the version with the stock and short barrel and had the ffl weld a fake supressor onto it would that then change the weapon to a rifle there for g2g?

[civictuner04 6]

and i think the is the tradition scorpian pistol that is a version the is nj legal

[david8613 69]

man nj sucks balls...

[Maksim 1,504]

max im pretty sure the draco is a no go b/c of weight.... i was just thinking that what if you ordered the version with the stock and short barrel and had the ffl weld a fake supressor onto it would that then change the weapon to a rifle there for g2g?

 

One of them was under the weight limit. Saw it at BA and had a discussion with Phil about it a while back.

[david8613 69]

is it still there?

[halbautomatisch 60]

and i think the is the tradition scorpian pistol that is a version the is nj legal

 

The semi auto Scorpion is NJ legal, I know some very careful (you could say skittish) FFL's that have sold them. The "semi auto version of a full auto" provision of the AWB doesn't seem to have any dealers I know of concerned about it being one of the "evil features".

[robot_hell 72]

Hmm... That gets me thinking. Every damn evil rifle is a semi auto version of a full auto. AR-15, AK pattern guns, FAL, M1A, and so on...

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Hmm... That gets me thinking. Every damn evil rifle is a semi auto version of a full auto. AR-15, AK pattern guns, FAL, M1A, and so on...

 

That provision applies to handguns. And you still have the "shrouded barrel" to worry about - Is it? Isn't it? Only your prosecutor knows for sure.

[halbautomatisch 60]

That provision applies to handguns. And you still have the "shrouded barrel" to worry about - Is it? Isn't it? Only your prosecutor knows for sure.

 

The Scorpion does not have a barrel shroud. There is a top cover that is removable, but the bottom of the area in front of the mag is the frame of the pistol. I can't imagine that even the most over zealous gun hating prosecutor could claim the frame is part of a barrel shroud.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

No, but the top cover could easily be construed as a shroud. Here's the definition from the NJAC...

 

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

 

The idea being that the weak hand could be held above the barrel to prevent muzzle rise. Since there is an internal bolt and not a reciprocating slide, the entire top cover could be considered a shroud.

 

Adios,

 

PIzza Bob

[halbautomatisch 60]

No, but the top cover could easily be construed as a shroud. Here's the definition from the NJAC...

 

(3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and

that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being

burned;

 

The idea being that the weak hand could be held above the barrel to prevent muzzle rise. Since there is an internal bolt and not a reciprocating slide, the entire top cover could be considered a shroud.

 

Adios,

 

PIzza Bob

 

I think that would be a great reach, especially considering that nothing there is specifically designed to be held or minimize burning hands. Regardless, I know they are being sold and the NJSP doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

[david8613 69]

what about the weight? isn't it too heavy?

[halbautomatisch 60]

what about the weight? isn't it too heavy?

NO

[david8613 69]

you mean to tell me that it has a wooden grip and lighter than the kel tec pl16?

[Ray Ray 3,566]

similar (close?) to the Taurus?

 

http://www.taurususa.com/2012catalog/?catalog_page=47

[halbautomatisch 60]

you mean to tell me that it has a wooden grip and lighter than the kel tec pl16?

 

It weighs about 45 oz.