charleslee 45 Posted March 12, 2012 Is the CZ Scopion pistol NJ legal? Thank you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted March 12, 2012 pretty cool gun, that would be awsome in 22lr. http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/86-law-enforcement-military/OS-AUT/CZ_SCORPION_EVO_3_A1.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 12, 2012 Violates the two evil features: 1) A magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; and, 2) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm, plus it has what might be construed as a barrel shroud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnp 45 Posted March 12, 2012 Isn't the folding stock also evil? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 12, 2012 Isn't the folding stock also evil? The civilian, semi-automatic version of the Skorpian does not have a folding stock. If it did, it would be a SBR and need an NFA tax stamp in a free state. Not legal at all in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xeroiz 0 Posted March 12, 2012 Not to mention the barrel 196 mm which is only 7 3/4 inches long Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 12, 2012 Not to mention the barrel 196 mm which is only 7 3/4 inches long Uhhh, that's why it becomes a SBR when a stock is attached Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted March 12, 2012 I believe there is a version of something like it, ah wait, the Draco? that is nj legal, and came in under weight limit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
civictuner04 6 Posted March 13, 2012 max im pretty sure the draco is a no go b/c of weight.... i was just thinking that what if you ordered the version with the stock and short barrel and had the ffl weld a fake supressor onto it would that then change the weapon to a rifle there for g2g? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
civictuner04 6 Posted March 13, 2012 and i think the is the tradition scorpian pistol that is a version the is nj legal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted March 13, 2012 man nj sucks balls... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted March 13, 2012 max im pretty sure the draco is a no go b/c of weight.... i was just thinking that what if you ordered the version with the stock and short barrel and had the ffl weld a fake supressor onto it would that then change the weapon to a rifle there for g2g? One of them was under the weight limit. Saw it at BA and had a discussion with Phil about it a while back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted March 13, 2012 is it still there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted March 13, 2012 and i think the is the tradition scorpian pistol that is a version the is nj legal The semi auto Scorpion is NJ legal, I know some very careful (you could say skittish) FFL's that have sold them. The "semi auto version of a full auto" provision of the AWB doesn't seem to have any dealers I know of concerned about it being one of the "evil features". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robot_hell 72 Posted March 13, 2012 Hmm... That gets me thinking. Every damn evil rifle is a semi auto version of a full auto. AR-15, AK pattern guns, FAL, M1A, and so on... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 13, 2012 Hmm... That gets me thinking. Every damn evil rifle is a semi auto version of a full auto. AR-15, AK pattern guns, FAL, M1A, and so on... That provision applies to handguns. And you still have the "shrouded barrel" to worry about - Is it? Isn't it? Only your prosecutor knows for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted March 14, 2012 That provision applies to handguns. And you still have the "shrouded barrel" to worry about - Is it? Isn't it? Only your prosecutor knows for sure. The Scorpion does not have a barrel shroud. There is a top cover that is removable, but the bottom of the area in front of the mag is the frame of the pistol. I can't imagine that even the most over zealous gun hating prosecutor could claim the frame is part of a barrel shroud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 14, 2012 No, but the top cover could easily be construed as a shroud. Here's the definition from the NJAC... (3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; The idea being that the weak hand could be held above the barrel to prevent muzzle rise. Since there is an internal bolt and not a reciprocating slide, the entire top cover could be considered a shroud. Adios, PIzza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted March 15, 2012 No, but the top cover could easily be construed as a shroud. Here's the definition from the NJAC... (3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; The idea being that the weak hand could be held above the barrel to prevent muzzle rise. Since there is an internal bolt and not a reciprocating slide, the entire top cover could be considered a shroud. Adios, PIzza Bob I think that would be a great reach, especially considering that nothing there is specifically designed to be held or minimize burning hands. Regardless, I know they are being sold and the NJSP doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted March 16, 2012 what about the weight? isn't it too heavy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted March 16, 2012 what about the weight? isn't it too heavy? NO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted March 16, 2012 you mean to tell me that it has a wooden grip and lighter than the kel tec pl16? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 16, 2012 similar (close?) to the Taurus? http://www.taurususa.com/2012catalog/?catalog_page=47 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted March 17, 2012 you mean to tell me that it has a wooden grip and lighter than the kel tec pl16? It weighs about 45 oz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites