North Korea

[Fallout 3]

Has launched a rocket, just saw it on the news, apparently it has disappeared or blew up or who knows, I'm sure the koreans will say it was successful or something. I don't see why we or another country doesn't just go in there already and run shit.

[HINCHMAN 4]

I am fascinated by north korea, yet hate the leadership as they just seem like total buffoons. I hope Japan shot it down...

[mccabegc 0]

Early reports say it was a failure again. N. Korea has acknowledged failed launches in the past but let's face it. They will succeed eventually. Them being capable of hitting the lower 48 with a nuclear missile is not very calming

[Fallout 3]

Who knows, not many people like them so it's only a matter of time someone steps in, and hopefully its a country other than us that will just take it over instead of trying to right the wrong.

[mccabegc 0]

Only way a country like south Korea or Japan step up is if china breaks the communist alliance with the north. Everyone pussyfoots around china!

[Fallout 3]

hopefully the russians would do something

[RubberBullets 65]

Good.. serves them right.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04/12/north-korea-reportedly-launches-rocket/

 

DEVELOPING - North Korea's attempt Friday to launch a long-range rocket has failed, according to U.S. officials.

 

A senior U.S. official who is receiving updates from U.S. military launch observers tells Fox News the rocket broke apart between 90 seconds and 2 minutes after launching.

 

Data suggests the rocket broke up in mid-flight inside the Earth's atmosphere. Officials tell Fox News the rocket did not fall into any populated areas, suggesting it fell into the ocean.

 

The rocket likely broke apart between the first and second stages of a three phase process.

 

A 2009 attempt by North Korea to launch a rocket also failed during its third stage.

 

Japan's Defense Minister Naiki Tanaka said, "We have confirmed that a certain flying object has been launched and fell after flying for just over a minute." He did not say what exactly was launched.

 

He said there was no impact on Japanese territory from the launch.

 

In Pyongyang, there was no word about a launch, and state television was broadcasting video for popular folk tunes. North Korean officials said they would make an announcement about the launch "soon."

 

North Korea had earlier announced it would send a three-stage rocket mounted with a satellite as part of celebrations honoring national founder Kim Il Sung, whose 100th birthday is being celebrated Sunday.

 

Space officials say the rocket is meant to send a satellite into orbit to study crops and weather patterns -- its third bid to launch a satellite since 1998.

 

The U.N. Security Council will hold a meeting Friday to discuss a possible response the launch, council diplomats said.

 

The United States, Japan, Britain, Russia and others say the launch would be a provocation and would violate U.N. Security Council resolutions banning North Korea from developing its nuclear and missile programs. Experts say the Unha-3 carrier is similar to the type of rocket that could be used to fire a missile mounted with a nuclear warhead to strike the U.S. or other targets.

 

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking for the Group of Eight nations after their foreign ministers met in Washington, said all the members of the bloc agreed to be prepared to take further action against North Korea in the Security Council if the launch goes ahead.

 

"Pyongyang has a clear choice: It can pursue peace and reap the benefits of closer ties with the international community, including the United States; or it can continue to face pressure and isolation," Clinton said.

 

At the United Nations in New York, G-8 member Russia echoed that the launch would violate Security Council resolutions. But North Korea's other main ally, China -- which is not part of the G-8 -- was more circumspect.

 

"We are very concerned about that issue," China's U.N. Ambassador Li Baodong said, adding that Beijing wanted to "diffuse tension, not inflame" it.

 

Japan's parliament adopted a resolution Thursday condemning the scheduled rocket launch.

 

"A launch is a serious act of provocation that would affect peace and stability in the region that includes our country," Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said, reading the resolution adopted unanimously at the lower house. "We strongly urge North Korea to use self-restraint and not to carry out a launch."

 

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04/12/north-korea-reportedly-launches-rocket/#ixzz1rsNQrY00

[hiker88 22]

oh boy... it seems that a number of NoKor rocket scientists are going to spend some time in the gulag.

[lunker 274]

Don't we go traipsing through enough backwater shithole countries as it is? I have had enough of being the world's policeman.

[Qel Hoth 33]

Early reports say it was a failure again. N. Korea has acknowledged failed launches in the past but let's face it. They will succeed eventually. Them being capable of hitting the lower 48 with a nuclear missile is not very calming

 

We are a LONG way from that happening. Even if the last 2 missiles were to succeed, their maximum range was not much closer than Hawaii.

[greatgunstatenj 32]

hopefully the russians would do something

 

I thought I just read that the Russians are building forces at the border.

[greatgunstatenj 32]

We are a LONG way from that happening. Even if the last 2 missiles were to succeed, their maximum range was not much closer than Hawaii.

 

They are gearing up for a nuclear test also.

[mccabegc 0]

We are a LONG way from that happening. Even if the last 2 missiles were to succeed, their maximum range was not much closer than Hawaii.

 

 

Eh, I wouldn't really say we are a LONG way from it happening. IF any of the past 3 missiles would have succeeded, yes they would just be reaching Hawaii. They would however, have the technology figured out to build upon. A successful launch will change the way all forces look at North Korea.

[silverado427 10,776]

made in china

[RubberBullets 65]

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/34840-north-korea/page__fromsearch__1

 

Sorry missed this one.. close me out plz.

[BarkNBite 15]

What matters here is they launched it even against warnings not to............no respect for this administration obviously.

[bbk 188]

This is classic saber-rattling, at least overtly. Consider that the upcoming 100th anniversary of Il-Sung is around the corner, and the ongoing geopolitics occurring in DPRK, whether or not this launch was a success is a moot point. As its been pointed out, the launch will be hailed a success in the country, and their citizens will, unfortunately, believe every word of it because they don't have the ability to know otherwise (no such thing as mass or media communications in DPRK). This will bolster the newly hailed "First Secretary of the Worker's Party of Korea" (to go along with the titles he's had, Chairman and Supreme Commander), Jong-Un, which is chiefly important for him in this time of transition.

 

Of course there will be more toothless actions by the UN and other entities. Even though China admitted to DPRK that even they couldn't really protect them if something were to have happened, I still doubt there will be little to no action... especially considering DPRK is planning on an upcoming nuclear weapons test.

 

But is it worth resuming armed conflict? No. I say that as an American and as a Korean. Sure, war is arguably humanity's greatest creation of culture; but in this day and age armed conflict is quite inefficient compared to the alternatives.

 

ETA: As for them not respecting this administration, DPRK has never respected any administration, ever. Almost admirable, but not because millions suffer at the expense of a nation's ego. But their attitude is one that has been held close by many states and nations that were fisted by imperialism (and, arguably, neo-imperialism)-- so, I won't hold that against them too much.

[rdsmith3 19]

This situation has me more than a little concerned. My son is in the USAF and he will be stationed in Japan starting in June, doing C-130 maintenance. That area has the potential of becoming another hot spot.

[RobertJames 14]

Makes me wonder if there was a test flight of one of these that day.

[RedBowTies88 41]

[Ronald Silver 2]

You heard of the portable laser system the US military has, right? It's the product of the Star Wars project. :-)

Long live vader!

[fumanchu182 23]

The only thing the Star Wars project produced was a massive friggin arms race. China felt threatened... Increased nuke capacity. India felt threatened by China's armament increase so they increased their nuclear arsenal. fugg now Pakistan feels threatened so they increased their nuclear capacity as well... Fast forward 2012 who knows if the system even friggin works, it was never test fired...

[Secret Squirrel 3]

Makes me wonder if there was a test flight of one of these that day.

 

They axed that a couple years ago

[Fallout 3]

 

 

They axed that a couple years ago

 

What do you mean they axed it

[Kaiser7 33]

Early reports say it was a failure again. N. Korea has acknowledged failed launches in the past but let's face it. They will succeed eventually. Them being capable of hitting the lower 48 with a nuclear missile is not very calming

 

Fortunately they have little in the way of resources. With the percentage of resources they pour into one rocket, we have more than enough to Glass them. Furthermore, China seems to be distancing themselves for the most part.

 

Don't fear them too much. Though they spend a massive amount of their GDP on their military, overall it's not much.After all, 60% of $100 is only $60. South Korea spends only like 20% of their GDP, but since they actually export goods, their 20% ends up equating to like, 10 times the amount of money as North Korea. N Korea also has mostly outdated weaponry including early model AKs, and Soviet tanks from teh '50s and '60s. In the event of war, they'd likely be crushed. Particularly if our military were smart and did things like offer the people food, and stuff.

[RubberBullets 65]

[bbk 188]

In the event of resuming the Korean War, my analysis is that North Korea would wage total war. Some parts conventional, other parts not so much. However, there would be a good bet that there would be massive damages to both sides-- both at the human level, as well as socio-political. IMO, DPRK is a linchpin, and could have far reaching implications beyond just toppling an indoctrinated state.

 

But it'll most likely never happen because the US would have nothing to benefit from by continuing the war. There are no real economic or political gains, and, hence, no push by the government to take action-- even if there are the worst crimes against humanity being performed (think Libya, and how quickly we went in there to "assist"). Also, considering the major players in the region, China and Russia, US again won't do anything unless provoked because of the geopolitical implications (think Syria and the ties to Assad, and how much we aren't willing to assist). In fact, any President who opted to resume the Korean War would be committing political suicide, and, more importantly, would be performing a [potentially] catastrophic disservice to the US.

 

I would argue that the DPRK is quite resourceful, especially when it comes to acquiring and selling goods (I mean, c'mon, they have built and successfully tested nuclear weapons starting with two gum wrappers and a llama stirrup-- that was facetious). However, for the decisive components for certain tests and goods, the US and other powers across the globe have taken major precautions and actions-- though most of those occurrences are behind the scenes, and probably will never be known publicly (given people continue to do their job as well as they have).

 

My final concern lies not what North Korea has or will do. It lies in their influence as a rogue state, and their ability to traffic components and other goods to other nations that are or will directly bring conflict to the US and/or its interests. What is a depressing and unfortunate thought is that regardless of whatever action is ever taken, there will always be a country like North Korea; and I think that is the reason why the US allows them to continue what they do, disregarding the horrors. The US and other powers have a fairly controlled grip on the situation, so why bother making a bigger deal out of it, or creating more monsters that aren't as controllable? Unfortunate and yet predictable when considering the stance the US has taken regarding modernity and globalization.

[Soju 153]

I almost feel like I'm in North Korea after reading some of these posts.