Reported explosion near the finish line of Boston Marathon

[e80hydro 120]

I hope Obama has the balls to bomb the shit out of some other country over this. George Bush would have.

[Fawkesguy 57]

The title on that website is completely misleading. Obama wasn't "thinking" anything. This guy is making an assumption of what he thinks Obama was thinking [or not thinking as the case often appears to be].

 

Yes I know, but he's one of Obama's closest advisors and part of his inner circle.

[BleedingOrange36 0]

I hope Obama has the balls to bomb the shit out of some other country over this. George Bush would have.

What I don't get about this whole administration is this..

Bush started the war in the Middle East to find WMD. We went there to try and locate probable weapons.....

With our current administration, we know who has weapons of mass destruction. They have threatened to use those weapons on us (north Korea )

We know that rebels are very close to gaining access to chemical weapons (Syria).... Yet we do nothing more than continue to funnel money to them?

A bunch of pussy's that rather not offend terrorists.

[e80hydro 120]

What I don't get about this whole administration is this..

Bush started the war in the Middle East to find WMD. We went there to try and locate probable weapons.....

With our current administration, we know who has weapons of mass destruction. They have threatened to use those weapons on us (north Korea )

We know that rebels are very close to gaining access to chemical weapons (Syria).... Yet we do nothing more than continue to funnel money to them?

A bunch of pussy's that rather not offend terrorists.

He'll probably offer them amnesty, a road to citizenship and a WIC card.

[BleedingOrange36 0]

He'll probably offer them amnesty, a road to citizenship and a WIC card.

Don't forget, Obama phones with built in detonator functions.

[Albanian 121]

I hope Obama has the balls to bomb the shit out of some other country over this. George Bush would have.

 

GWB would have selected a random Middle Eastern Country that had little to nothing to do with it and bombed them. Then years later ventured into the "correct" country.

 

Obama would prefer to disarm his own citizens and curl into a ball throwing out apologies and pretending he caught Osama when it was the men of our military. Not some rich asshole who sat at home safe and protected by guns.

[WVisHome 0]

This has been a tumultuous week in US history...Waco, Oklahoma City, Columbine and VT all happened this week.

 

Also, Lincoln was shot on the 14th and the Revolution began on the 19th.

[BleedingOrange36 0]

I'm just glad I'm flying out of AC Friday and not Philly.....

 

[Albanian 121]

This has been a tumultuous week in US history...Waco, Oklahoma City, Columbine and VT all happened this week.

 

Also the week of tax day.

[Wojo 98]

Public Transportation, Shopping Malls, Schools, Houses of Worship, Sporting Events are some of the easiest and softest targets. And also some of the most difficult to harden against would be bad guys.

 

How hard would it be to hi-jack a casino bus loaded with old folks and drive it into a body of water? Or taking a large SUV plowing thru a line of kids waiting in line to board a school bus in the afternoon? You don't need firepower or explosives to get a 'respectable' body count people. Fire...don't even go there with the possibilities. Diversion tactics and then the big event and on and on.

 

Yea, I know I'm bad man for bringing up some ugly realities, but these are the things that Sheepdogs lose sleep over.

[voyager9 3,434]

What we're seeing now is time when it goes from a sensation to an investigation... approaching 22-hours in and everyone who would know about the story already does yet there is very little new information for the MSM to actually report.

 

Turn on the news right now and you'll see the networks tripping over themselves to maintain viewers/readers/clicks by reshowing terrible pictures, interviewing people who don't have any more information then the rest of us, and making predictions that range from bold to asinine all in a desperate attempt to maintain viewers.

 

Meanwhile those that do real work.. those investigating the event are digging in for the long haul.. This is going to take a while.

[Wojo 98]

90% of the information gathering during the first 24 hours is either inaccurate or wrong. The challenge is filtering, confirming and acting upon the quality stuff.

[High Exposure 5,664]

and I'd like to see you do anything like that with smokeless powder.

 

No, you wouldn't...

 

Just FYI:

 

http://mobile.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/15/bomb-experts-offer-analysis-based-on-details-from-boston-marathon-explosions

The explosions at the Boston Marathon on Monday were likely caused by high-power black powder explosives,bomb experts tell U.S. News, and at least one of them was likely shaped in a pipe bomb.

 

Footage of the initial detonation of the blast showed an explosive plume that would align with a high-powered pipe bomb, says Fred Burton, a retired Diplomatic Security Service special agent who helped investigate the first World Trade Center bombing, among other high-profile attacks…

 

Building a pipe bomb does not require a great degree of sophistication, Burton says, but getting them to function properly “does take some practice.”…

 

The white smoke that emanated from the blasts indicate this was likely a smokeless or black powder, he says, not a military-type explosive such as C-4 or plastic explosives, which give off black smoke.

[Malsua 1,422]

Black powder in a pressure cooker then? They're saying the bombs were pressure cookers.

[Wojo 98]

Compression is an important facet of any explosive device. Look at a round of ammunition. A shaped 'charge' / rapid burn creates pressure and the weakest point, the case mouth / bullet allows the expanding hot gases out in a controlled way. A pressure cooker is an ideal primitive vessel. I won't get into the specifics, only to say, that I'm surprised we haven't seen these common devices used post 9/11 more often.

[High Exposure 5,664]

These types of pressure cooker explosives have been used in Afghanistan, India, Nepal and Pakistan and one of the three devices used in the May 2010 Times Square attempted bombing was a pressure cooker.

 

As far as cordite, I don't think it has been used in gunpowder since WWI but am not 100% on that.

 

People always speak of "smelling Cordite" after a shooting. In my experience, it is just what people call the smell of burnt gunpowder even though it is not an accurate description of the ingredients in modern gunpowder.

[BleedingOrange36 0]

Like I said before......

What if this is traced to smokeless powder?

What would happen to gun owners if all smokeless powder was banned from civilian ownership?

Wouldn't that possibly make ammunition illegal?

Reloading impossible?

Even ban muzzleloaders?

I hate thinking this far into it..... But look who we're up against.

Gotta think like them to predict their next move...

[WVisHome 0]

The smoke cloud did have a BP look to it....a dense, heavy, persistent white smoke like you see in war reenactments.

 

 

 

[WVisHome 0]

And yes, USA Today reporting " that the explosives were put in 6-liter pressure cookers, placed in black duffel bags and left on the ground. They were packed with shrapnel, the person said."

 

LINK

 

 

 

[BleedingOrange36 0]

And now NYC is calling for more cameras......

Next we will see drones for our safety, not security.....

Stop and frisk to make sure no one is carrying bombs....

What scares me the most about this whole situation is what's coming down the barrel.....

Who here will yell stop infringing on our rights if they are searching your house for "Bombs" (guns) frisking you on the street and checking your bags for "bombs"(guns)

Ban explosive powders to prevent future "bombings"(ammunition and reloaders)

Maybe I'm paranoid.... And fear our corrupt government too much...

[WVisHome 0]

Well, they're placing NG troops on the streets....

 

Col. Timothy Alben, head of the state police, said the public should expect to see "significantly enhanced" security over several days, including the presence of police and national guard members at key locations around the city, like the metro and Logan Airport.

[Wojo 98]

Cameras, like gun-free zone signs do nothing to prevent a crime. The cameras might help with the investigation, but hoodies, masks, sunglasses hamper what a camera can record about an individual. Ever hear of a smoke screen? Well, you can use all sorts of things to screen your movements...people, construction carts, street vendors, hand trucks with boxes on them.

 

Maybe they want them to track Big Gulps and high sodium sammiches.

[WVisHome 0]

Well...looks like I'll be visiting the two LGS in search of any usable powder on my way home.

[greatgunstatenj 32]

Cameras, like gun-free zone signs do nothing to prevent a crime. The cameras might help with the investigation, but hoodies, masks, sunglasses hamper what a camera can record about an individual.

 

Not true, cameras combined with the latest in facial recognition and predictive analysis can certainly stop crime or at least pick up suspicious behaviors and what not.

 

note: I'm not saying I'd trade that for my privacy, just saying that the technology exists to be able to pick up people in hoodies acting suspiciously, etc.

[High Exposure 5,664]

latest in facial recognition

 

Why do you think you can't smile in your DL or Passport photos anymore?

[e80hydro 120]

They use pressure cookers in North Korea to make their cats taste better. It was probably them.

[greatgunstatenj 32]

VIdeo analytics are operational, but certain aspects of it have a way to go......SPECIFICALLY with facial recognition. That being said...the government has very deep pockets. But the commercial variants of facial recognition and an analytic for 'suspicious' behavior is way out there and not refined.

 

That being said....I can OCR a license plate with a LPR camera and search based on tag number etc....I can create virtual video tripwires...etc.... we are NOT 100% there yet with facial but it is coming.... the geometrics of the human face and relationships thereof, are proving harder to do commercially than you would think

 

Commercial variants and things being worked on by certain government agencies are not even on the same playing field in some cases. I have some former colleagues working on some projects in this vain and the capabilities are really pretty incredible, scary at the same time. Some of those technologies, especially the predictive video analysis stuff is being deployed already. My guess it's still in quasi pilot phase but it's only a matter of time before the NSA can grab your DNA from a remote camera! lol

[PDM 91]

I lived in Israel for a while. Israelis in general are much, much more tuned in to their surroundings and on the alert for terror. They always are in condition yellow. This is a natural result of living for 70 years surrounded by and living amongst people who want to wipe you out. A guy I knew accidentally left his clarinet on a bus. He realized it when he got home and immediately called the bus company and the police. The case with his clarinet had already been blown up by the bomb squad.

 

Most Americans are sheep, oblivious and unwilling to recognize that life isn't always made to order. Despite the "say something if you see something" most people I know are in denial and unwilling to even entertain the possibility that life can sometimes be dangerous and unpleasant. It will be an uphill battle to prevent these kind of attacks.

[Wojo 98]

Sure the technology is out there. But in tough financial times is the man-power even there to monitor all those cameras in place? What was the last stat on the subway's cameras that over 50% were in-op? Oh, and two closing words...lowest bidder. Having cameras is only part of the equation; proper installations, the placement, available lighting (and direction...too much just as bad as too little), maintenance, etc., etc.,

 

The Scotland Yard has an incredible amount of cameras...how's their violent crime rates been trending?

 

There is no substitution for good police work and boots on the ground. Technology is a great force multiplier but not the final solution. (intended pun)

[gunguy1960 2]

Do we need pressure cookers?