Dan_G 0 Posted July 18, 2013 Like the title says I need to prove to a PA FFL that a Type 53 Mosin is NJ legal. I found one I want to buy and they wont sell it to me because it has a bayonet. I tried tellign them that it doesnt apply to bolt action rifles and that it is two evil features anyway but they want proof. They said they recently got a letter from the state of NJ saying that bayonets, lugs, and flash hiders aren't NJ legal. They even said a Spingfield 1903a3 is illegal. One of my neighbors works at the shop and that didnt help. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubberBullets 65 Posted July 18, 2013 The comma should be removed. Bayonet lugs are on the evil feature list of njs awb. Bolt actions need not conform to the evil feature restriction. Find your way to the nj gun law section and refer to vlad's sticky post of nj gun laws. The statute is spelled out there for your reference. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/29389-read-before-posting-nj-gun-law-faq/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted July 18, 2013 I doubt that you are ever going to convince them. If you have a tablet or smart phone, I'd show them this site.... http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_ag2.html which is the NJSP site, but has links to the legislature site with the firearms laws. It really isn't up to the selling FFL to determine whether the gun is compliant - that onus is on you before you bring it into NJ. For all the dealer knows the gun may be domiciled at a hunting cabin in PA. Moot point since it is NJ legal. Good luck, but I don't hold out much hope. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 18, 2013 Thanks I found that and will try to show them. If that doesnt work then I'll write off ever buying anything from there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 18, 2013 I spoke to the actual FFL holder and explained it to him. He said he would call NJ tomorrow. So there is still hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted July 18, 2013 I had a PA FFL try that with a SKS and I had them call Sarco since they sell all kinds of that stuff to NJ folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Night Prowler 0 Posted July 18, 2013 Maybe have him contact NJSP firearms division and talk to them directly. Although, since this is NJ, its luck of the draw if they know their stuff. Worst case ask if he would transfer to your FFL. That way the burden is not on him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob B 103 Posted July 18, 2013 Could you see if you can get a copy of the letter? If it has innacurate information, we will have our attorney contact the AG's office and ask them to issue a correction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted July 19, 2013 What that dealer needs to understand is that semi automatic is the qualifier for a gun to be illegal......without that, anything goes as long as it's not an SBR and has an overall length of at least 26". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted July 19, 2013 Or next time use an FFL in NJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clintoon Eastwood 2 Posted July 19, 2013 Wow, that sucks. I wouldn't even bother with FFL's like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 19, 2013 Its a $140 T53 so its not worth transferring. They let me clean the bore right there and its dark but sharp, good crown, and not counter bored. I was originally going to buy a $99+$20 shipping+$50 transfer one from JG but its cheaper and I know Im getting a good bore with this one. I walked into the shop to ask what there transfer fee was and they happened to have one. My neighbor works there, he is the NJ law guy, very nice guy but misinformed. I asked to see the letter they got but they said they couldnt find it. They said to call them tomorrow and they will call NJ to see if its legal. When I spoke to the FFL he said he doesnt know NJ laws and when I explained them to him that is when he said he would call if I reminded them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted July 19, 2013 have not been in NJ for a while.. but its $50 to transfer a $100 gun? that's nuts.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 19, 2013 Yup its either that or spend $15 in gas for me to go to one thats $35. I may call around here in PA to see what the other two local shops will do for the transfer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted July 19, 2013 Yup its either that or spend $15 in gas for me to go to one thats $35. I may call around here in PA to see what the other two local shops will do for the transfer. I think I paid $18 the last lower I had my FFL transfer me (in PA) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 19, 2013 I guess PA FFL's are more reasonable than NJ ones. I'll have to see what the two other local ones charge and what this shop will charge to send it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted July 19, 2013 Who is the FFL? Nice to know so others here don't find themselves in the same jackpot. I was under the impression that this dealer had the gun in stock and you were buying it from them - if that's the case what transfer are you talking about? Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 19, 2013 Sorry I was a little confusing. I'll post the FFL name up here once this is over. If what they are saying is true this is NJ's fault and not theirs. Its one in the Lake Wallenpaupack region. The shop has a T53 in stock and I told them I want to buy it. They said since it had a bayonet it was illegal in NJ. I said that only applied to semis and it was a two feature test anyway. They said the paper they got didnt specify the action and that it said just having a bayonet made it illegal. The transfer I'm talking about is possibly seeing if they will send it to an FFL who knows the law and will do the transfer to me. I originally walked into the shop to ask them about receiving a T53 from JG sale and the shop had one in stock so I didnt bother to ask. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 19, 2013 I called them just now and was told the FFL holder doesnt want to take the "risk." The place is Hunter's Gallery in Hamlin, PA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted July 19, 2013 TELL THEM TO CALL NJSP FIREARMS DIVISION... SHOW THEM THE LAW.. this is ridiculous.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted July 19, 2013 What risk? The ATF gonna cite him for violating NJ law when he's operating in PA?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 19, 2013 I asked them to call NJ and got the run around. I'll see if I can get a hold of my neighbor after work to see if he will do anything. He said the FFl holder just didnt want to do it, it wasnt because of any letter from NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted July 19, 2013 I just called them.. here is the deal.. the guy I talked to.. was really nice... the owners who I did not talk to... simply don't care to know the law... their stand is that the law changes too fast out of state.. so anything "military or tactical" is not allowed to be sold to out of state... I felt like the person I spoke to was really reasonable... but I feel like the owners may just be scared/concerned.... really unfortunate they are not interested in understanding the law.. I tried.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 19, 2013 Thats the same thing I got. When I spoke to the FFL holder he said that you dont use a bayonet for hunting so it isnt legal. They are nice people just not informed. They have a sign in the store stating any tactical rifle will only be sold to PA residents. Know of a good quick FFL in north jersey to send a JG T53 to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted July 20, 2013 Yeah - Action Shooters 267 Haledon Ave Prospect Park, NJ 07508 973-942-6464 $35 incl NICS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted July 20, 2013 I ran into this mentality at an auction in PA once, the auction company would not sell ANY firearm to anyone who was not a PA resident, they said they would ship it an out of state FFL only. I asked the owner personally if this was correct since they had a lot of bolt action milsurps I was interested in, he said "no" he didn't want to "take the chance". These people were king douches anyway, the owner pulled some Zeiss scopes out of the auction after threatening people to bid higher on the first one they auctioned off. When they didn't "enough" money for it, he pulled the other four they were going to sell. The thing that brings people to an auction is the hope to get something cheap, if everything goes out overpriced, you're not going back - stupid. I ended up getting an SKS for a decent (but not overly cheap) price. These douches insisted on charging me PA sales tax even though the were making me ship it to a NJ FFL. When I protested, their response was "well you got it at a cheap price anyway". I'll never go back there again - and since people want to know, the place was Kapp's auctions, so buyer beware. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan_G 0 Posted July 20, 2013 I would expect somebody like who I dealt with to be familiar with NJ laws. Even though they were ignorant of our laws everybody who works there is still probably the nicest people you will meet at a gun shop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H2tHummer 0 Posted July 20, 2013 Just the start, Samco won't ship ammo to NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H2tHummer 0 Posted July 20, 2013 Wow, just found the post in the ammo section with the links to suppliers that ship to NJ. Thanks DirtyDigz! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polak 3 Posted July 21, 2013 I'd never shop there if they are so "misinformed" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
