LorenzoS 100 Posted June 30, 2014 Friends, It’s now just over a month since I moved to Colorado. I can’t tell you how liberating it feels to be free of the nonsense I endured back in NJ. Liberating, as in “liberty.” it’s something you really don’t get just by visiting, you need to stake out a home to really feel that peace of mind. I’ve maybe been a bit too preachy recently cajoling you all into giving up on the lost cause that is New Jersey. My intent is not to be abrasive, but to hopefully get some of you to wake up into a reality check. Gun rights are done for in NJ and the prospect for improvement is so slim as to be borderline delusional to hold out hope. The population of NJ hates guns and hates gun owners. There will be an annual tide of gun control bills again and again. Even with the most heroic efforts of NJ2AS and NJRPC, victory will be defined as slowing but never defeating that tide. Occasionally there will be trivial “victories” such as getting towns to reduce the number of forms for an application that give false hope like the occasional win at a slot machine. But like a slot machine this game is rigged in favor of the house and it’s a losing game for you. Perhaps the saddest recent developments are the instances of infighting among gun rights advocates over which is the worst of NJ’s oppressive laws. Like rats in a cage. The only rational answer is to get the hell out of the cage. And even there were a 2A miracle and the entire gun law scheme were rewritten, what exactly are you left with in this state? Crushing state debt, punishing taxes, crumbling infrastructure and a population that believes the answer to every problem is government money or a new law. It’s just going to get worse as people like me leave, there will be fewer and fewer contributors supporting more and more takers. I know moving is not easy but people relocate all the time under difficult circumstances. People lose jobs, endure disasters and are forced to stake out lives elsewhere. So I urge you to ask yourself, how bad does it have to get before it’s bad enough to leave? It’s only a matter of time before the state reaches that point. The sooner you move the less time you endure this place and the sooner you can start enjoying a better life. There are plenty of great places in America where life is good. Spend some time visiting those places and think hard about what type of place makes you happy. Then make a plan and follow through on your own timeline instead of waiting for things to get bad enough to force you out. Best of luck to you all, Lorenzo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
302w 83 Posted June 30, 2014 You don't have liberty until you own bayonet lugs and new production 30 round mags.. Sorry... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Babyface Finster 45 Posted June 30, 2014 My plan is to exit this stinking hole in the next 2 years. It has little to do with 2A issues, I'm just tired of it all. The issues you noted as well as the materialism and rapid erosion of the values I care about. I've lived here my whole life and it simply is not the place I grew up in. Overall, the people are becoming ruder, pushier and more self-absorbed by the day. There are still good people here, but they have become more the exception than the rule. Enjoy the beautiful state of Colorado. It's on my list, but career will probably send me to the Carolinas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Respect2A 0 Posted June 30, 2014 You don't have liberty until you own bayonet lugs and new production 30 round mags.. Sorry... I agree here. Also CO used to be my top destination to move too. Was looking into transferring with my job. Then they got smacked by the dems and I started looking into the state more. It's becoming like NJ. It is however a great state for outdoor stuff. Also nice and laid back. Too bad the CA transplants ruined it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYMetsFan86 9 Posted June 30, 2014 Im happy for you and I understand what your saying. While I don't disagree with you, we need to consider that for some people moving is out of the question right now. No matter what the reason may be, its just not in the cards unless your job allows for that type of move or your retired, etc.. I am hoping my job officially opens positions in Tampa Florida, I was already told i'm eligible. The timing and probability of this is up in the air.........for now i wait. So, I can get on board with "escape now!", but Its certainly not all that easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LorenzoS 100 Posted June 30, 2014 You don't have liberty until you own bayonet lugs and new production 30 round mags.. Sorry... Ha, yes I figured that would be a reaction. Couple points. First, there are many factors that go into finding a place to live besides an NRA ranking. Never did I suggest people should leave NJ for CO, but to think hard about what place makes you happy Maybe it's Vermont, maybe it's Texas, for me it was Colorado. Second, lets compare the 15 round limit in NJ and CO. In NJ: 1. Violation is a 2nd degree felony with more jail time than assault with a deadly weapon 2. Venomously enforced by law enforcement and judiciary looking to set an example out of gun criminals 3. Likely to move to 10 soon, with 5 on the table. In CO: 1. Violation is a ticket 2. The Sheriffs Association and many law enforcement agencies already declared they will ignore the law 3. Reasonable chances of being reversed. And if we look beyond the 15 round limit, once my permit arrives in a few weeks I can carry concealed, while drinking, while smoking weed, in a bar in the airport. I can also buy a Class III weapon and text you about it while driving a motorcycle without a helmet. And while I would not choose to do all those things at the same time I have the freedom to make that choice. Feels pretty good to me. No place is perfect, but I'm happy here and glad I moved. The point is that if you're sick of New Jersey, stop shoveling sand against the tide and complaining. Focus your efforts on finding a better life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted June 30, 2014 Congratulations. Now, don't forget , that the NJ decease WILL spread unless each free state citizens take deliberate, active and continuous measures against anti 2A. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted June 30, 2014 I've lived here my whole life and it simply is not the place I grew up in. It is hard to remember that there was a time before race riots, illegal aliens and utterly lawless politicians. Good luck, Lorenzo - many of us will follow when we get the chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AverageJoe 95 Posted June 30, 2014 Pfft, try finding Taylor Ham in Colorado, I mean good luck on your future endeavors lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LorenzoS 100 Posted June 30, 2014 Pfft, try finding Taylor Ham in Colorado, I mean good luck on your future endeavors lol OK honestly, the lack of decent Italian food is the only major loss so far. Oh yeah, and oxygen. Crossfit is a bitch at altitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M4BGRINGO 139 Posted June 30, 2014 Respect2A, on 30 Jun 2014 - 2:34 PM, said: I agree here. Also CO used to be my top destination to move too. Was looking into transferring with my job. Then they got smacked by the dems and I started looking into the state more. It's becoming like NJ. It is however a great state for outdoor stuff. Also nice and laid back. Too bad the CA transplants ruined it. Yeah, you got that right. Give them 20 years, that state will be an "Eastern" Kalifornia............. I plan on getting out of NJ, but I won't be going West. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted June 30, 2014 Yeah, you got that right. Give them 20 years, that state will be an "Eastern" Kalifornia............. I plan on getting out of NJ, but I won't be going West. Is there a East of East ? :-) Mind sharing your thoughts ? I have been debating between SC/NC and NH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bry@n 195 Posted June 30, 2014 Congrats on the move. Colorado is a beautiful place. I agree no place is perfect but you make the best of it. While I like a lot of things about nj, the majority of the things I care about are eroding before my eyes. I'm working an exit strategy at this time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carl_g 568 Posted June 30, 2014 Pfft, try finding Taylor Ham in Colorado, I mean good luck on your future endeavors lolJoe.. Albertson's sells Taylor Ham..no issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RS1200XL 4 Posted June 30, 2014 I have been debating between SC/NC and NH. I had the same debate with myself. I decided to move to SC, once I get my house established I can probably buy a decent amount of land in NH with the lower cost of living! OP, the best feeling I had, and I'm sure you will too, is stopping for lunch after going to the gun range and NOT being a criminal! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeyboyeee 66 Posted June 30, 2014 Been almost a yr for me that i moved to the real free state of Florida. Took me a little while but found an even better job than i had in NJ. Do i regret it? . Yeah right! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted June 30, 2014 Tomorrow will be one year since my home purchase in America. I can give you 99 reasons why I am so so happy. You know the rest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishpaw 17 Posted June 30, 2014 Just sold my house in NJ...Its in attorney review now, and the closing date is August 1st. Already have an apt in PA, and looking for a house there now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted June 30, 2014 About time, Mike. Long commute though. You moving the store? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbkid6974 1 Posted June 30, 2014 Pfft, try finding Taylor Ham in Colorado, I mean good luck on your future endeavors lol Jerseyporkroll.com suck it biotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted July 1, 2014 In had some Taylor ham this morning for I think the first time. Not impressed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RS1200XL 4 Posted July 1, 2014 Fried chicken on biscuits! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
302w 83 Posted July 1, 2014 Jerseyporkroll.com suck it biotch What's pork roll? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbkid6974 1 Posted July 1, 2014 What's pork roll? don't worry they sell T t t ttaylor ham (blah) too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arcade Game 0 Posted July 2, 2014 meh. doesnt beat virginia ham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burns 16 Posted July 2, 2014 Congrats on the move to free America! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,730 Posted July 3, 2014 Congrats !!! I'm still trying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites