remixer 1,645 Posted December 1, 2014 When was this. The rule change took place this year at some point Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
younggun93 5 Posted December 1, 2014 Those companies can do what they want.. This is not an Economic issue... Its an Issue of being hypocrites.Do Don't claim to be a champion of the 2nd amendment and fighting unjust gun laws when your company is creating restrictions that don't exist. Have you spoken to PSA or Aim about why they wont ship for example Lowers to NJ? I have and the answer was simple. Its illegal to sell lowers to NJ. That answer is NOT acceptable since they are completely wrong. not to throw you off your rant or anything, but i bought a palmetto stripped lower about 2 months ago without any issues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted December 1, 2014 Psa sell stripped ones . Aim won't sell any Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted December 2, 2014 Those parts are unregulated and should have been shipped. I hate companies that invent rules... Lets be PRO 2a and at the same time lets invent new regulations. I guess they can be added to the list of companies with Ghost Rules. Palmetto State Armory Aim Surplus Larue Anyone care to Add to the list of companies that wont ship items to NJ that are completely Legal in NJ? The Sportsman's Guide - won't ship anything AR related including a front sight tool. Won't ship .50 cal ammo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted December 2, 2014 WIthout getting into a Gun Debate or Whos more Pro 2a and Who's not.. Its simple. FFL's are Federally Regulated. Even if an item is not Legal in NJ for sale as is they can be shipped to an FFL for modification which then would make it perfectly legal. I understand some companies not wanting to sell non legal items to NJ dealer for the fear of a law suit by the state BUT i don't see why selling a completely legal item to a NJ resident is an issue.... This is the problem i have with those companies. I remember when i first got my FFL and i was setting up accounts with distributors. there was one in particular that told me sorry we are not setup to ship to NJ. My reply was NJ should not require any additional setups we are americans... He gave a big LOL and said im with you on that but the powers here don't want to ship anything to NJ. My issue with AIM Surplus is the fact they shipped Lowers to NJ until they got a new compliance guy. I spend more then a few hours talking with him and putting him in contact with the NJSP to verify they are legal. I was told after all that "They are not legal for sale in NJ" How do you think i felt..... Do you think i was happy with such a stupid reply which is completely incorrect. I was pissed.... My issue with PSA was the frantic call i got from their compliance guy about 2 DPMS ar's they shipped to me for transfer to a couple of police officers. I was told he needed the rifles back... I told him i already converted them for NJ compliance and that one already has been transferred. HE WAS PANICKING and asked me for pictures of the compliance work etc etc etc... It was funny and sad at the same time. There are other companies who will not ship to NJ and thats fine. they have that right but i have the right to bitch about it. In regards to the economic loss to those companies its not 1% its much greater. NJ might not be a "Free" State but our people spend millions of dollars on guns and accessories. MIPAFOX, i will say your an interesting person to debate but comparing sending a butt stock NJ to shipping ammo to central America is a bit strange Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 177 Posted December 3, 2014 It will take the greater gun owner community outside of nj to start pressuring vendors into standing up for nj gun owners by taking time to learn our laws and not invent new ones. This would be similar to how it went down with the personalized handguns. Our laws are annoying to learn and follow , but they don't change that often that it's such a burden to keep up with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted December 3, 2014 it's their business, and they can run it how they see fit. we can reciprocate by choosing to do business with other companies. they will not change, regardless of WHO pressures them, due to the simple fact that restrictive states like us do not account for enough sales. sales are the ONLY was to hit them....they need to feel it in their wallets. people from other states aren't gonna stop buying from their favorite supplier just because they don't shit to nj. also......as much as i hate to say this. just get a pa address. you don't have to live there. just rent a room from a friend. or just go to pa, buy whatcha want, and keep a small businessman in business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avi 12 Posted December 3, 2014 The other thing i cant understand is even if a company ships banned stuff to NJ they are not liable the person who buys it is. why would they want to loose business and be a freakin police man just put a disclaimer that its your responsibility to know your laws and ship out any order banned or not Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted December 3, 2014 The other thing i cant understand is even if a company ships banned stuff to NJ they are not liable the person who buys it is. why would they want to loose business and be a freakin police man just put a disclaimer that its your responsibility to know your laws and ship out any order banned or not That doesn't stop civil suits like cities suing out of state dealers. This just happened last year with the San Francisco suing three out of state dealers who were shipping legal items to California customers. The suits were settled but not before each defendant coughed up $15K plus legal fees. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 177 Posted December 3, 2014 I agree on the civil suit thing. It would be great if all of these pro 2a rights groups that I am a member of had a program for providing legal assistance to shops who sell legal gun accessories to folks behind enemy lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted December 4, 2014 That doesn't stop civil suits like cities suing out of state dealers. This just happened last year with the San Francisco suing three out of state dealers who were shipping legal items to California customers. The suits were settled but not before each defendant coughed up $15K plus legal fees. Why would they settle? Wouldn't it be dismissed without going to trial since the items were legal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted December 4, 2014 The other thing i cant understand is even if a company ships banned stuff to NJ they are not liable the person who buys it is. why would they want to loose business and be a freakin police man just put a disclaimer that its your responsibility to know your laws and ship out any order banned or not because we don't......can't possibly spend enough money for them to actually see the dent that might almost be made from the business they lost by not dealing with us here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted December 4, 2014 Why would they settle? Wouldn't it be dismissed without going to trial since the items were legal? The reason given was cost to defend. IIRC, the defendants tried to get the case dismissed and failed. Two of the three were represented by an NRA -connected law firm too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted December 4, 2014 The reason given was cost to defend. IIRC, the defendants tried to get the case dismissed and failed. Two of the three were represented by an NRA -connected law firm too. That sucks! The cities should be counter-sued by the companies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted December 4, 2014 That sucks! The cities should be counter-sued by the companies. Sure but you're talking about a lot of money to be out of pocket with no guarantee of recovery as the countersuit wouldn't be a sure thing. In the end, only the lawyers benefit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted February 2, 2016 Sorry, I want to rant for a moment. I have always been a fan of the Larue Tactical products when it comes to modern sporting rifles and such. That said, they had a Black Friday deal on their stock pack, it was the rat stock, grip, rail covers, etc. Anyway, it is half price. So I said, effit, I will order it. Placed my order, next day, cancelled! Reason- They don't ship RAT stocks to banned states! Now mind you, this is NOT a rifle, just the parts. I find this policy rude. And honestly it plain pisses me off! I wish some manufacturers wouldn't take their pro 2 A stance and work it against the little guy. I can't help that I live in a commie state. I am gainfully employed. and unfortunately my favorite hobby, happens to be in a state that hates guns. I understand that they have their policy and whatnot, but I am pissed that they hold us in NJ responsible by electing to deny us parts. Thank you, rant over. Earlswagger: To give you and others here an update on your original frustrating experience with LaRue Tactical, I had the opposite experience. In the spring of 2015, I placed an order for a new LaRue Tactical OBR 5.56 with a 16" barrel and had it shipped to my NJ FFL, which is RTSP. Since I live in NJ, they automatically built it with a traditional A2 stock, since they know that NJ requires fixed stocks. Thinking that there would be a relatively long wait for them to fill my order, I was pleasantly surprised when they contacted me to inform me that they would be shipping the completed firearm to me about 2 weeks after I placed the order, instead of the expected 6 months. Having received it and practiced with it at three different gun ranges at distances from 25 yards up to 300 yards, I decided that I would prefer the lighter, as well as the all together different aesthetic of a LaRue Tactical RAT Stock. So last summer, I ordered a RAT stock from LaRue Tactical and had it shipped to my home in NJ. LaRue Tactical had no objection or problem doing that, so apparently their policy has been modified since you attempted to purchase the same part. Of course, in order to abide by NJ's nonsensical fixed stock law, I had RTSP's Gunsmith replace the A2 stock and installed the new RAT Stock, pinning and fixing it at my preferred length. I am pleased with the overall experience with LaRue Tactical's Customer Service staff, the quality of their product and the results of this relatively minor modification. (P.S. - For what it is worth, LaRue Tactical's Dillo Dust, that they also send to their customers with most orders, is a delicious dry seasoning steak rub...) AVB-AMG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted February 2, 2016 Earlswagger: To give you and others here an update on your original frustrating experience with LaRue Tactical, I had the opposite experience. In the spring of 2015, I placed an order for a new LaRue Tactical OBR 5.56 with a 16" barrel and had it shipped to my NJ FFL, which is RTSP. Since I live in NJ, they automatically built it with a traditional A2 stock, since they know that NJ requires fixed stocks. Thinking that there would be a relatively long wait for them to fill my order, I was pleasantly surprised when they contacted me to inform me that they would be shipping the completed firearm to me about 2 weeks after I placed the order, instead of the expected 6 months. Having received it and practiced with it at three different gun ranges at distances from 25 yards up to 300 yards, I decided that I would prefer the lighter, as well as the all together different aesthetic of a LaRue Tactical RAT Stock. So last summer, I ordered a RAT stock from LaRue Tactical and had it shipped to my home in NJ. LaRue Tactical had no objection or problem doing that, so apparently their policy has been modified since you attempted to purchase the same part. Of course, in order to abide by NJ's non-nonsensical fixed stock law, I had RTSP's Gunsmith replace the A2 stock and installed the new RAT Stock, pinning and fixing it at my preferred length. I am pleased with the overall experience with LaRue Tactical's Customer Service staff, the quality of their product and the results of this relatively minor modification. (P.S. - For what it is worth, LaRue Tactical's Dillo Dust, that they also send to their customers with most orders, is a delicious dry seasoning steak rub...) AVB-AMG Pssst, AVB, this post is about 2 years old. And I agree, the DD is awesome. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted February 2, 2016 Thanks bhunted.....I just found this older thread topic and wanted to share my experience from last year, as an update. It just shows that some companies are willing to change their policies of shipping so-called controversial prohibited items to NJ residents after re-evaluating and eliminating their earlier silly and paranoid policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted February 2, 2016 For sure..... Just wished they'd all be that way.. Thanks bhunted.....I just found this older thread topic and wanted to share my experience from last year, as an update. It just shows that some companies are willing to change their policies of shipping so-called controversial prohibited items to NJ residents after re-evaluating and eliminating their silly paranoid earlier policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 827 Posted February 2, 2016 Not only am I fighting for my rights, I have made gains. Can you say the same? That's what I thought. When is the last time you carried an AR on the steps of your state capitol? How many times this year have you gone inside and banged on doors to meet all of the various committee members? Do you have all of the state and local reps offices saved in your car GPS? And from the neighboring districts because you either bring friends or don't tell them precisely where you live? What exactly have you done? Ah, you are one of those people that want other states to go down the toilet because yours is. A real patriot. You can speculate where PA will be in 10 years. I can tell you where Jersey will be in 10 years. Lots of talk, little action, zero results. Well, if you ask Scott Bach and company, we have made "tremendous" gains. And "big things are right around the corner".... Bla, bla, bla. The fact of the matter is NJ has made no gains in the last 15yrs that I know of. We only lost ground. And we will continue to lose more ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites