If the Sweeney bill passes, how many plan on turning in their FPID?

[222 3]

Way off topic here, but I hope you know that they make lactose-free milk for people like us.

Off topic - I buy the lactose digestion drops from Amazon. Just set a quart aside 48 hours before I want cereal.

 

Back on topic - I am pretty sure Sweeney doesn't expect Christie to sign his bill, just on principle that Christie likes cutting spending. They are just setting up an issue hoping BB doesn't get crushed too badly.

[Erik 0]

I don't think there's any political difference between signing and just letting it pass. Either way, he'll be held accountable.

by a minor percentage of the population that actually pays attention..the vast majority of the useful idiots will forget about it within a few months..

[mrg455 6]

I hate to be "Debbie downer"  or "Negative Nancy" but since this great State tha we live in is mostly Democratic, there is a very good chance that most of this WILL pass. My question is, if we are able to band together and vote some friendlier 2A people into office come November, how long would it take to undo the damage that will already be done?

[RubberBullets 65]

I hate to be "Debbie downer"  or "Negative Nancy" but since this great State tha we live in is mostly Democratic, there is a very good chance that most of this WILL pass. My question is, if we are able to band together and vote some friendlier 2A people into office come November, how long would it take to undo the damage that will already be done?

 

 

They NEVER loosen up control..

 

What goes in the books in this state will be here forever.

[voyager9 3,434]

Way off topic here, but I hope you know that they make lactose-free milk for people like us.

 

Off topic - I buy the lactose digestion drops from Amazon. Just set a quart aside 48 hours before I want cereal.

 

 

Back on topic - I am pretty sure Sweeney doesn't expect Christie to sign his bill, just on principle that Christie likes cutting spending. They are just setting up an issue hoping BB doesn't get crushed too badly.

The nj.com article from Monday quoted Sweeney as saying that he wasn't optimistic of the centerpiece bills passing based on the lack of Republican support in the Senate. Theory being, I guess, that if Christie was behind the bills the other Republican would follow their party and not risk their limited political capital.

[halbautomatisch 60]

I hate to be "Debbie downer"  or "Negative Nancy" but since this great State tha we live in is mostly Democratic, there is a very good chance that most of this WILL pass. My question is, if we are able to band together and vote some friendlier 2A people into office come November, how long would it take to undo the damage that will already be done?

The legislature was set to repeal the AWB when the Republicans took control of both houses in the mid 90's, they pulled the bill when they didn't have enough votes.

 

The only way we are going to get rid of any of these laws is if SCOTUS strikes them down.

[Whiskey Reb 0]

The legislature was set to repeal the AWB when the Republicans took control of both houses in the mid 90's, they pulled the bill when they didn't have enough votes.

 

The only way we are going to get rid of any of these laws is if SCOTUS strikes them down.

That may not even work. Illinois seems to be giving the finger to the high court.  

[stronski 0]

 

The nj.com article from Monday quoted Sweeney as saying that he wasn't optimistic of the centerpiece bills passing based on the lack of Republican support in the Senate. Theory being, I guess, that if Christie was behind the bills the other Republican would follow their party and not risk their limited political capital.

 

 

The Senate is split 24 - 16.  Senator Sweeney only needs 21 votes to move a bill.  Every Republican Senator can vote against the bill and 3 Democrat Senators voting "No" as well and the bill moves.  

 

Which Democrat besides Van Drew is going to vote "No"?   I'm not so sure every Republican will vote against the bill.

[voyager9 3,434]

 

The Senate is split 24 - 16. Senator Sweeney only needs 21 votes to move a bill. Every Republican Senator can vote against the bill and 3 Democrat Senators voting "No" as well and the bill moves.

 

Which Democrat besides Van Drew is going to vote "No"? I'm not so sure every Republican will vote against the bill.

 

That's the point. The democrats don't need help to advance a bill. As far as the bill goes it doesn't matter what the republicans do. That means that their either voicing the will of their constituents(Ha!) or following the voice of their party. If they are voting against the biggest of these bills it is because of party and it may be a sign which way Christie is leaning. They're not going to vote for something if Christie is thinking veto..

[wooly bugger 1]

That may not even work. Illinois seems to be giving the finger to the high court.  

The best way I've seen it described is that the lower courts are committing an act of "civil disobedience" against SCOTUS

[wooly bugger 1]

The nj.com article from Monday quoted Sweeney as saying that he wasn't optimistic of the centerpiece bills passing based on the lack of Republican support in the Senate. Theory being, I guess, that if Christie was behind the bills the other Republican would follow their party and not risk their limited political capital.I 

I don't see how lack of Republican support is a signal of Christie's stance. I can see it both ways. If Christie plans to veto, it might actually give some Republicans in Volvo-rich districts room to vote for the bill, knowing that they aren't affecting the outcome and undermining the party's opposition.

[stronski 0]

 

he can line item veto appropriations (money) only. He can't line item veto any other stuff.

 

 

He can conditionally veto a bill.  He can object to a certain section of the bill and add his own  amendments. The legislature would have to re-vote on the changes and send it back to the governor. 

[bennj 215]

Seems to me that many of his recent actions point to him signing off on whatever he's sent.

[410guy 5]

Good topic...I was actually thinking the same thing. If the Sweeny's "centerpiece" bill passes then I have no plans to be a part of the new system. I'll let my FID expire and just stay within the "exemptions" (keep in home, to/from range). And I hunt in PA or NY already anyway.

[voyager9 3,434]

Let me flip this another way:  How does letting your FID expire help anything?

[Parker 213]

Let me flip this another way:  How does letting your FID expire help anything?

 

I would liken this move as the first step towards non-compliance.

 

 

 

In comparison, I haven't read an article yet out of New York that folks have been registering their "assault weapons" since open registration started April 15th, one month ago. Everyone I know who might fit into that category has not complied. I haven't seen an article in the news that notes that New Yorker's are registering, nor have I read one that they aren't. I suspect it's the latter. It's a topic no one is really talking about now.

 

FYI - In the NYSRPA's lawsuit against the SAFE Act, they've already spent $164,000 on the suit, with another $80,000 contributed from the NRA. I don't think anyone will move to do anything until the case is decided.

[n4p226r 105]

Let me flip this another way: How does letting your FID expire help anything?

It doesn't. You couldn't legally buy a gun anymore. Thank god for out of state gun shows

[voyager9 3,434]

It doesn't. You couldn't legally buy a gun anymore. Thank god for out of state gun shows

From my thinking, letting it expire reduces the number of FIDs in the state and reduces the perceived number of gun owners and the power of groups like the NJ2AS..etc.. I can just picture some politico saying "Look, FID's have dropped 30%.. why should I listen to pro-2A groups?".

 

Also, reducing the number of FID's makes the system easier to set up and maintain.. and proves the system successful in many eyes.  Better off, from our perspective, clogging the system to the point that it falls apart.

[wooly bugger 1]

From my thinking, letting it expire reduces the number of FIDs in the state and reduces the perceived number of gun owners and the power of groups like the NJ2AS..etc.. I can just picture some politico saying "Look, FID's have dropped 30%.. why should I listen to pro-2A groups?".

 

Also, reducing the number of FID's makes the system easier to set up and maintain.. and proves the system successful in many eyes.  Better off, from our perspective, clogging the system to the point that it falls apart.

Good point. That's what they did in Canada when registration became mandatory. Eventually, it was too much trouble so they just gave up.

Part of the reason why no one's registering their MSRs in NY is that for those who do plan to comply, they're waiting for the very last minute in order to shred the system.

[Parker 213]

Good point. That's what they did in Canada when registration became mandatory. Eventually, it was too much trouble so they just gave up.

Part of the reason why no one's registering their MSRs in NY is that for those who do plan to comply, they're waiting for the very last minute in order to shred the system.

 

Wooly,

I can read into what you're implying by "shred the system," but I doubt that is the intent nor would happen. The system they've set up is fairly innocuous and not cumbersome. Unless folks plan to file by mailing in the form, it can be done online. I suspect gun owners are holding out more so for the outcome of the pending lawsuit. As for the handgun privacy registry; that event passed. Those who wanted their information private had until this past Wednesday to register to be exempt from FOIL. The AW registry is submitted to the N.Y. State Police. Handgun registry is handled by the respective county clerk who originally issued the permits. They were the ones who were worked overtime with the deluge of hand-filings. (They didn't get an online form. How sneakily inconvenient.)

[Carcano 14]

Wrong....................I was there.

 

He was doin' the Onion Ring Hula............and it wasn't pretty.

 

I personally know one of the governor's aides and when he told me he eats a whole sub and half a xl pizza just for lunch...that made my wallet hurt even worse. This was before his operation but still anyone that eats that much x 3 times a day is pushing life to the limit.

 

Remember, those onion rings were paid for with YOUR tax dollars. You should have DEMANDED one of those onion rings. I wonder how many cuts he had to make to bring the twinkies back?

 

[NJKen 23]

I wouldn't be surprised if Christie vetoed the bill based solely on cost. Revamping the entire system can't be cheap and with all the budget cuts he's mandated during his time as Governor, it would seem nonsensical for him to support a costly measure just to try and have some Romney-esque gun-control cred. But it's really anybody's guess...

That is about our best hope in this particular situation.

Ken

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

It doesn't. You couldn't legally buy a gun anymore. Thank god for out of state gun shows

 

Out of state gun shows won't help us.....vendors KNOW NJ has a FID.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

I personally know one of the governor's aides

 

Seriously?  Then give us something useful, like Christie's stance on these gun bills.......