silverado427 10,724 Posted June 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Downtownv said: Still a douche bag! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 24, 2022 ag-Directive-2022-07_Directive-Clarifying-Requirements-For-Carrying-Of-Firearms-In-Public.pdf (nj.gov) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted June 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, marlintag said: ensure that an applicant has demonstrated that they are thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns. What are the parameters for this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 24, 2022 Just now, Displaced Texan said: What are the parameters for this? And what about fingerprints, mental health checks and passport size photos. I SEE IT NOWHERE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,155 Posted June 24, 2022 45 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: ‘weapons in common use’ The way I see it, "common use" does not mean popular, it means contemporary, ie, not inferior to new current technology in common use. It would be like the government has quad processor computers computers while the peons are only allowed Commodore VIC-20s In 1775, muskets and cannons were in common use because they were technologically contemporary. In common use means common contemporary, readily available arms, used in the defense of ones self and America. Full auto M4s are in common use, but only by the military, and three letter agencies. Hell, even the USPS and IRS are packing M4s. WT everluv'n F?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 24, 2022 1 minute ago, marlintag said: And what about fingerprints, mental health checks and passport size photos. I SEE IT NOWHERE Nevermind me i see it now. Review of Applications. In reviewing an individual’s application for a permit to carry, the applicable law enforcement agency shall continue to ensure that the applicant satisfies all of the criteria of N.J.S.A. 2C:58-4d and N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4, except that the applicant need not submit a written certification of justifiable need to carry a handgun. Fingerprints, passport size photos, and mental health check STILL REQUIRED. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fred2 367 Posted June 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, marlintag said: ag-Directive-2022-07_Directive-Clarifying-Requirements-For-Carrying-Of-Firearms-In-Public.pdf (nj.gov) this looks like the important part. (b) Each applicant shall demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns by indicating in the space provided therefor on the application form, and on any sworn attachments thereto, any relevant information. Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns may be evidenced by: 1. Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j; 2. Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; 3. Completion of a course or test in the safe handling of a handgun administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or 4. Passage of any test in this State's laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted June 24, 2022 This is awesome! I’m glad this has come to fruition for you Jersey guys!! Congratulations!!!! I think getting rid of the AWB/mag limits are the next issues in the battle plan, but I’m confident it will come!!! Ill be having a drink tonight in y’all’s honor to celebrate the victory! Bravo Zulu! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 24, 2022 I don't see option 3 that 9 minutes ago, Fred2 said: this looks like the important part. (b) Each applicant shall demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns by indicating in the space provided therefor on the application form, and on any sworn attachments thereto, any relevant information. Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns may be evidenced by: 1. Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j; 2. Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; 3. Completion of a course or test in the safe handling of a handgun administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or 4. Passage of any test in this State's laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor. I dont see option 3 in the case text, is the one you posted the most updated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KurtC 42 Posted June 24, 2022 From the State Police web site. Obviously, number 5 is now unnecessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 24, 2022 The only question i have is do we need police Quals or not? Is a basic pistol training certificate with a certified instructor sufficient? If we do need RPO quals/police quals where do we go? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted June 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: The way I see it, "common use" does not mean popular, it means contemporary, ie, not inferior to new current technology in common use. It would be like the government has quad processor computers computers while the peons are only allowed Commodore VIC-20s In 1775, muskets and cannons were in common use because they were technologically contemporary. In common use means common contemporary, readily available arms, used in the defense of ones self and America. Full auto M4s are in common use, but only by the military, and three letter agencies. Hell, even the USPS and IRS are packing M4s. WT everluv'n F?!?! That pesky NFA keeps the really fun toys out of our hands… 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,155 Posted June 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: I’m glad this has come to fruition for you Jersey guys!! Not just NJ, but America. You have no idea how happy I am that the Constitution won, over judicial activism. However, I'm not yet prepared to join the circle jerk. It will be a while before this is figured out, and that will be by design. The socialist fucks will do everything, no matter how petty, to make it as costly and difficult as possible to protect one's self outside the home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted June 24, 2022 Just now, Scorpio64 said: Not just NJ, but America. You have no idea how happy I am that the Constitution won, over judicial activism. However, I'm not yet prepared to join the circle jerk. It will be a while before this is figured out, and that will be by design. The socialist fucks will do everything, no matter how petty, to make it as costly and difficult as possible to protect one's self outside the home. The directive has already been issued by the NJAG and NJSP. I agree this is a victory for ALL Americans, but it’s especially satisfying and welcome for those of you behind enemy lines. It doesn’t really change much for us down here in Texas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KurtC 42 Posted June 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, marlintag said: The only question i have is do we need police Quals or not? Is a basic pistol training certificate with a certified instructor sufficient? If we do need RPO quals/police quals where do we go? This is where the permitting system remains subjective. You have to convince your Chief of Police and a Superior Court Judge that you have satisfied the competency requirement. You can easily find out from your local PD as to what they will accept. The Superior Court Judge, not so much. There is no way of knowing which judge your application will come before. There are usually several in each county. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted June 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: This is awesome! I’m glad this has come to fruition for you Jersey guys!! Congratulations!!!! Makes you want to move back, don't it?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted June 24, 2022 Just now, 10X said: Makes you want to move back, don't it?? Oh HELL no! 1 1 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,155 Posted June 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: Oh HELL no! Hey, come on man, were standing right here. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 24, 2022 46 minutes ago, KurtC said: This is where the permitting system remains subjective. You have to convince your Chief of Police and a Superior Court Judge that you have satisfied the competency requirement. You can easily find out from your local PD as to what they will accept. The Superior Court Judge, not so much. There is no way of knowing which judge your application will come before. There are usually several in each county. Your right, on both accounts. We still have to appear before a Superior Court Judge after the Chief approves. When I called my local PD earlier today that was before this directive was issued. I'll have to call my PD again to discuss training requirements after the weekend. Everything else in the process is self-explanatory at least. I don't mind having to get additional training if required, I am just happy that we are finally on the right path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quikz 34 Posted June 24, 2022 Ok. Now that the NJSP issued this "directive". Where does that put me? I already have a NJ 'carry' permit (renewed 5th time, last month May 2022) "restricted" during 'working hours only' for my part time job. Where does this 'directive' put me and some co-worker with a non-res jersey permit? I am a res. Maybe I should just call the NJSP where I got it from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KurtC 42 Posted June 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, quikz said: Ok. Now that the NJSP issued this "directive". Where does that put me? I already have a NJ 'carry' permit (renewed 5th time, last month May 2022) "restricted" during 'working hours only' for my part time job. Where does this 'directive' put me and some co-worker with a non-res jersey permit? I am a res. Maybe I should just call the NJSP where I got it from. The AG website has a constituent contact page. Fill it out asking how the new directive affects current permit holders that have restrictions under the old directives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,778 Posted June 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, KurtC said: The AG website has a constituent contact page. Fill it out asking how the new directive affects current permit holders that have restrictions under the old directives. If someone finds this, can you post it? Thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KurtC 42 Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Downtownv said: If someone finds this, can you post it? Thank you. https://www.njoag.gov/contact/office-of-constituent-services/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted June 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: Hey, come on man, were standing right here. Oh I love you guys. But NJ…it smells funny. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,778 Posted June 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, KurtC said: https://www.njoag.gov/contact/office-of-constituent-services/ Thanks! I wrote the following: What is the new directive for applying? What are the shooting requirements? Where are accredited facilities to take the shooting range portion required with the application. Thank you. Now we wait. It's good to see so many members come back to the forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supranatural 66 Posted June 25, 2022 I'll also post this in the CCW thread, but I called then went down to my local PD and they were pretty much ready with a packet they told me was updated this morning. They removed the justifiable need and resume requirement (remnant from assumed security guard need), and told me they were aware of the ruling. However they told me it typically goes to the county judge who they inquired as of this morning was unaware of the ruling and stated he would deny all applications. The officer told me he expected that answer to change by next Tuesday morning and told me they suspect that they will probably push for the approval to be done either by local PD or NJSP once they see the deluge of applications that threaten to overwhelm the judge. Coming is integration into FARS. I have the packet and my only question is there is 3 references on the application which is to be filled in triplicate, so do it looks like I will need to visit each of my references in turn to complete the applications. Only weird thing is I also have the pistol permit form in there as well, not sure why I need that unless I'm buying another pistol (never a bad idea...). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted June 25, 2022 2 hours ago, KurtC said: This is where the permitting system remains subjective. You have to convince your Chief of Police and a Superior Court Judge that you have satisfied the competency requirement. You can easily find out from your local PD as to what they will accept. The Superior Court Judge, not so much. There is no way of knowing which judge your application will come before. There are usually several in each county. brings up the question again.....by the wording, can the judge not be removed from the process? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KurtC 42 Posted June 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, supranatural said: I have the packet and my only question is there is 3 references on the application which is to be filled in triplicate, so do it looks like I will need to visit each of my references in turn to complete the applications. Only weird thing is I also have the pistol permit form in there as well, not sure why I need that unless I'm buying another pistol (never a bad idea...). Purchase permits, done thru FARS, contact the references by email. Th carry permit application is different. Each reference must personally sign each of the 3 copies. They want to make sure the references personally understand that they are vouching for your responsibility to carry a handgun. 3 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: brings up the question again.....by the wording, can the judge not be removed from the process? Doubtfully. Many states require someone at the county level to approve carry permits. In Pennsylvania, it is the County Sheriff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,748 Posted June 25, 2022 Cheers, y’all! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted June 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, KurtC said: Purchase permits, done thru FARS, contact the references by email. Th carry permit application is different. Each reference must personally sign each of the 3 copies. They want to make sure the references personally understand that they are vouching for your responsibility to carry a handgun. Doubtfully. Many states require someone at the county level to approve carry permits. In Pennsylvania, it is the County Sheriff. correct...but it's still a cop doing the approval/denial. that's part of why i'm asking......judges have no place in this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites