is the mech tech carbine kit legal in nj?

[david8613 69]

is the mech tech carbine kit legal in nj? with a pinned stock of course!

http://www.mechtechsys.com/glock.php

[civictuner04 6]

no need for a pinned stock i would say your g2g but the question-ability is taking the rifle back to a pistol......

[alowerlevel 77]

but the question-ability is taking the rifle back to a pistol......

Not anymore, the BATFE made a ruling on that

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2011/08/atf-rulingrifles-configured-fr.html

http://forum.pafoa.org/national-11/143653-atf-ruling-2011-4-pistol-rifle-back-pistol.html

[JackDaWack 2,895]

no need for a pinned stock i would say your g2g but the question-ability is taking the rifle back to a pistol......

If he has p2p's for the original pistol then its fine. The other way around is illegal. You are taking a pistol and modifying it to be a rifle, taking off the mods just leaves you with what you started with. Now if someone purchased a complete kit w/ pistol, and then de-modded it back to pistol u would be in trouble, at least in NJ. Federally speaking i don't think it matters unless you take a production rifle and convert it to pistol.

[vjf915 456]

Not anymore, the BATFE made a ruling on that

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2011/08/atf-rulingrifles-configured-fr.html

http://forum.pafoa.org/national-11/143653-atf-ruling-2011-4-pistol-rifle-back-pistol.html

Looks like that means NO.

[alowerlevel 77]

Looks like that means NO.

Huh? Did you miss the part that said

Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol).

 

So yes its legal

[alowerlevel 77]

http://blog.princelaw.com/2011/8/2/batfe-ruling-2011-4-pistol-to-a-rifle-and-back-to-a-pistol

ATF Deputy Chief Steve Albro stated that the Ruling holds that a pistol may be converted to a Title I rifle (non-SBR) and back to a pistol without having to register the firearm as a Short-Barreled Rifle under the NFA. However, if the firearm starts life as a rifle, the Ruling further holds, that it cannot be converted to a pistol without registering it as a Short-Barreled Rifle under the NFA

 

Heres the published ATF ruling http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

[vjf915 456]

Huh? Did you miss the part that said

 

 

So yes its legal

Sorry, I skimmed through it and read something about "Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA." I thought we came to the conclusion before that these kits were illegal as well? Sh*t I must be losing my mind....

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Sorry, I skimmed through it and read something about "Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA." I thought we came to the conclusion before that these kits were illegal as well? Sh*t I must be losing my mind....

Believe me, i read it entirely and was completely lost, i had to look on another forum and have someone pick it apart for me.

[david8613 69]

this in 10mm, i want!

[vjf915 456]

Pistol caliber carbine with the ergonomics of a Glock? No thanks. I'll take a CX4.

[chris327 30]

Il take a glock over the cx4.

[vjf915 456]

A Glock is a pistol, and the CX4 is a carbine.....you're comparing apples and oranges.

[GRIZ 3,369]

IMO you would have to pin the stock. You would have a rifle with at least two evil features (ability to accept mags over 15 rds and a pistol grip)so substantially identical would apply.

 

ATF says its legal as far as Feceral law goes but I'm not sure what NJ has to say. Maybe we will see more "AG Guidelines" which make up laws as they feel like.

[alowerlevel 77]

IMO you would have to pin the stock. You would have a rifle with at least two evil features (ability to accept mags over 15 rds and a pistol grip)so substantially identical would apply.

 

ATF says its legal as far as Feceral law goes but I'm not sure what NJ has to say. Maybe we will see more "AG Guidelines" which make up laws as they feel like.

 

Right, you would either have to pin it, or just get the fixed stock that they have instead of the collapsable one. Other than that I see no reason why this wouldnt be legal in NJ, but Im no lawyer.

[chris327 30]

vjf sorry i meant glock with mech tech carbine conversion over a cx4.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

IMO you would have to pin the stock. You would have a rifle with at least two evil features (ability to accept mags over 15 rds and a pistol grip)so substantially identical would apply.

 

 

Huh, ability to accept mags over 15rds? nothing in NJ has the ability to accept larger then 15rd mags cause they dont exist here ,detachable mags are not on the list they are criteria for the list. A semi-auto with out a detachable magazine automatically disqualifies it from the list. So w/ a detachable mag, you are left with one option from the list, this case a pistol grip. End result is the same, no collapsible stock. If the rifle sported an internal mag, you could put every single evil feature on there.

[Dan 177]

For what its worth (probably not much), this things looks like its too much trouble. Just get a real carbine that's ready to go out of the box that is 100% NJ legal if you want a carbine.

[vjf915 456]

vjf sorry i meant glock with mech tech carbine conversion over a cx4.

Oh sorry, I gotcha. I'd still rather take the CX4

[XDJohnTact 49]

+1 for CX4

[david8613 69]

new jersey sucks! i ended up picking up a nice beretta cx4 storm in .45 cal... yippie!

[Turbotezza 1]

If you want a carbine in 10mm, then this is one of the few ways. And yes, I'm a 10mm fan, so no CX4's for me.