I dont know how to feel about this one

[AnthonyG 36]

SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police say a boy throwing rocks at vehicles was struck in the abdomen by a crossbow bolt fired by a passenger in small sport utility vehicle.

 

Officer Dino Delimitros says the boy and a friend were throwing rocks in the Linda Vista neighborhood Monday afternoon when a passenger in a black Toyota RAV4 pulled out a crossbow and fired.

 

The boy was shot in the abdomen and was taken to a hospital. The San Diego Union-Tribune says his injuries are not life-threatening.

 

His name and age weren't released.

 

Nobody has been arrested.

 

http://www.king5.com/news/Boy-trhowing-rocks-from-overpass-shot-by-crossbow-128674563.html

 

 

Before I speak I want it to be made clear I don't think what the guy in SUV did was right.

Now I thought it was interesting cause both could have equally killed a person because of their actions but the crossbow guy was not shooting a innocent person per-say. I wouldn't say this was karma and I am definitely glad the kid isn't dead but I am very sure this kid will not be doing anything with throwing rocks again.

[vladtepes 1,060]

lesson learned

[hd2000fxdl 422]

While I do think the reaction of the person in the Toyota was over the top and if found will be in a world of trouble with a possible felony charge.

 

I do have to say, stopping the Truck and knocking the kid out should be allowed. I don't know what it is with todays world, if I ever did something like that when I was young, the person driving the truck would have punched my lights out, and after that and I was escorted home, my mother or father or both would have kicked my butt.

 

Harry

[tony357 386]

will have to see how this is played out.. Self defense case to me..

Way too much missing from the story..

 

how big were these rocks, were they pebbles or something substancial to make it,s mark ?

[e80hydro 120]

This guy is screwed on two counts;

 

1. Hunting boy out of season.

 

2. Hunting boy from a vehicle.

 

 

 

mmm

[rauchman 3]

SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police say a boy throwing rocks at vehicles was struck in the abdomen by a crossbow bolt fired by a passenger in small sport utility vehicle.

 

Officer Dino Delimitros says the boy and a friend were throwing rocks in the Linda Vista neighborhood Monday afternoon when a passenger in a black Toyota RAV4 pulled out a crossbow and fired.

 

The boy was shot in the abdomen and was taken to a hospital. The San Diego Union-Tribune says his injuries are not life-threatening.

 

His name and age weren't released.

 

Nobody has been arrested.

 

http://www.king5.com/news/Boy-trhowing-rocks-from-overpass-shot-by-crossbow-128674563.html

 

 

Before I speak I want it to be made clear I don't think what the guy in SUV did was right.

Now I thought it was interesting cause both could have equally killed a person because of their actions but the crossbow guy was not shooting a innocent person per-say. I wouldn't say this was karma and I am definitely glad the kid isn't dead but I am very sure this kid will not be doing anything with throwing rocks again.

 

When I was 15, I was throwing clay, the type you put in a kiln, at cars w/ a friend of mine. Long story short, guys from 2 different cars caught us and one laid a really good beating on my face. When the cop showed up, I had blood pouring from my mouth and the guy who did my facial was screaming that he wanted me arrested. When I pointed out to the officer that if the guy pressed charges on me, then I would press charges on him for assaulting a minor, Mr. fists backed off. The way I looked at, I was wrong, the guy was wrong..... I don't throw things at cars anymore.

 

Yeah, the kid was being mischeivious. Mr. cross bow was decidedly more violent of action. I'm also sure the kid will think twice about throwing stuff at cars again. This is an extreme example, but it's almost a right of passage for a kid.

[Pew Pew Plates 358]

The part that screws him is you dont just whip out a crossbow in defense. He kinda had to plan it with cranking it up, loading it, etc

[hd2000fxdl 422]

The part that screws him is you dont just whip out a crossbow in defense. He kinda had to plan it with cranking it up, loading it, etc

 

They probably drove by one and saw what was going on or were hit and did a second pass prepared to teach a lesson is more than likely what happened.

 

Harry

[Zell959 40]

The use of a crossbow seems just plain odd.

 

Given the protection the vehicle would offer, and how unlikely it is that boys would be strong enough to throw rocks heavy enough to be a threat for the passengers, I'm skeptical of a self defense interpretation.

 

Based on current info, I'm inclined to suspect its a case of a hoodlum-in-training making the mistake of crossing a fully grown hoodlum.

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

Not that it's necessarily relevant, but when they say "boy," are they talking about a seven year-old or a seventeen year-old?

[KpdPipes 388]

While I DO think the crossbow was a little much, When I was still a Kid My family was travelling on 280 through Newark when some POS tossed a brick off of one of the overpasses through our windshield...people HAVE been killed by crap like that.

[raz-0 1,259]

Yeah, the kid was being mischeivious. Mr. cross bow was decidedly more violent of action. I'm also sure the kid will think twice about throwing stuff at cars again. This is an extreme example, but it's almost a right of passage for a kid.

 

Your interpretation of the situation is really dependant on how big the rocks were. A nice fist sized rock form an overpass is a lethal weapon.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

Your interpretation of the situation is really dependant on how big the rocks were. A nice fist sized rock form an overpass is a lethal weapon.

 

Actually even a small rock, say it startles the driver and they loose control and crash. they are just stupid for doing it in the first place, only thing it's just too bad that stupid doesn't hurt.

 

Harry

[Dan 177]

SUV guy got medieval on that kid's a**.

[Zell959 40]

Just re-read it. That part about them getting on & off a bus wasn't there originally, was it?

[Smokin .50 1,907]

I remember some news story of a douche throwing frozen turkey off of an overpass and THROUGH a woman's windshield. The woman was either killed or needed a new face.

 

The rock thrower won't be throwing any more rocks from overpasses. The cross bow guy was a little over the top, but given the circumstances, maybe should only get probation as well as the usual "no more weapons" order on his rap sheet. If the rock thrower's family is smart, they'll sue the cross bow guy and he'll need to be outside earning an income to make good on the suit. Hopefully he won't lose his house over it. That's punishment enough in my book.......

 

Dave

[bbk 188]

I think what really needs to be examined is the intent, of both parties. What was the intent of the minor who was throwing rocks? And what was the intent of the Crossbow wielder? I'm all for handling things in-house, but I also agree that consequences should reciprocate, and not exceed said line. Otherwise it's not justice at any level.

[vladtepes 1,060]

I think what really needs to be examined is the intent, of both parties. What was the intent of the minor who was throwing rocks? And what was the intent of the Crossbow wielder? I'm all for handling things in-house, but I also agree that consequences should reciprocate, and not exceed said line. Otherwise it's not justice at any level.

 

 

do you think it is fair to shift the burden of force assessment to that of the individual defending themselves?

 

I mean didn't a border guard SHOOT a kid for throwing rocks at him? while I will agree that shooting someone in the head who simply walked on your lawn is excessive.. I get a little hesitant when it comes to evaluating how much force is "ok".. if someone is attacking you.. in the moment.. you should be allowed to defend yourself till the thread is stopped.. if that means a 70 year old women has to shoot an unarmed attacker 8 times... then so be it.. the only time I think it is reasonable to hold someone accountable for "defending themselves" is when the situation is under control.. but they continue to act against the attacker.. for me it is not so much about how much force you use (with exception to the obvious), but instead about knowing when to stop..

[bbk 188]

What I said has nothing to do with defending one's self-- that is a circular argument, as proven by the whole 2A vs. anti-2A arguments. Instead my comment referred to how justice is applied, as consequences and punishment should reciprocate the action, and not become a matter of smashing another down simply because one can. When justice is not equal, is it really justice?

[Duppie 73]

When I was 15, I was throwing clay, the type you put in a kiln, at cars w/ a friend of mine. Long story short, guys from 2 different cars caught us and one laid a really good beating on my face. When the cop showed up, I had blood pouring from my mouth and the guy who did my facial was screaming that he wanted me arrested. When I pointed out to the officer that if the guy pressed charges on me, then I would press charges on him for assaulting a minor, Mr. fists backed off. The way I looked at, I was wrong, the guy was wrong..... I don't throw things at cars anymore.

 

Yeah, the kid was being mischeivious. Mr. cross bow was decidedly more violent of action. I'm also sure the kid will think twice about throwing stuff at cars again. This is an extreme example, but it's almost a right of passage for a kid.

 

I was about the same age when myself and a friend found a stack of old tires on the side of a pretty busy road and decided to roll some across light weekend traffic,diving into a ditch when the drivers would stop to seek retribution as it were. All went fine until one of the larger tires rolled across the road right into the open door of the local 7 days Adventist church in the midst of services. We hid but was eventually found, took several hard hits from the faithful and was transported to our parents who after apologizing profusely, continued corporal punishment until we couldn't sit comfortably for several days.

Thankfully we didn't encounter any crossbows but we learned a very hard lesson that day and so has these kids in the news story.

[Zell959 40]

...the only time I think it is reasonable to hold someone accountable for "defending themselves" is when the situation is under control.. but they continue to act against the attacker.. for me it is not so much about how much force you use (with exception to the obvious), but instead about knowing when to stop..

 

Aren't we pretty much in the 'obvious' territory at this point, even with limited info? I can't imagine a plausible scenario where rock throwing would put the vehicle occupants in danger, yet allow the occupants a window of opportunity to perceive the threat and respond by firing a crossbow defensively at the rock thrower. All the scenarios involving any rock a kid could realistically throw can only carry a significant threat when the victims car is moving at a decent speed, meaning the kids would not be in crossbow range by the time the driver realized what they were doing.

[vladtepes 1,060]

Aren't we pretty much in the 'obvious' territory at this point, even with limited info? I can't imagine a plausible scenario where rock throwing would put the chariot occupants in danger, yet allow the occupants a window of opportunity to perceive the threat and respond by firing a crossbow defensively at the rock thrower. All the scenarios involving any rock a kid could realistically throw can only carry a significant threat when the victims chariot is moving at a decent speed, meaning the kids would not be in crossbow range by the time the driver realized what they were doing.

 

 

when you describe it like that.. if you replace "car" with "chariot" it is like a scene straight out of ancient times.. and further a good illustration as to why banning guns won't do a thing to curb violence.. lol

[djg0770 481]

Re Zell's obvious comment I must be missing the sarcastic smileys on my phone. I have had a rock come thru my windshield not only shattering the outer glass bit also compromising the middle polymer layer and shattering th inner glass layer. To call me shook up would be an understatement. This occurred on 22 in rush hour and I nearly caused an accident due to this. mind u this was not "pitched off" an overpass either. IMO the crossbow is a bit excessive force but not by much. Of course this will turn into disadvantaged minority youth versus angry 40something white man.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

I can't imagine a plausible scenario where rock throwing would put the vehicle occupants in danger, yet allow the occupants a window of opportunity to perceive the threat and respond by firing a crossbow defensively at the rock thrower. All the scenarios involving any rock a kid could realistically throw can only carry a significant threat when the victims car is moving at a decent speed, meaning the kids would not be in crossbow range by the time the driver realized what they were doing.

 

Just to understand in case I am reading it wrong, are you saying a rock being thrown by a kid isnt really a danger unless the car was moving??

 

If so, let me ask, what do you think a rock say 3/4" fill stone traveling at 60 MPH would do to a window of a car? I only say 60MPH being my cousin in AZ who's pitchers in softball hit 60 on her underhand fastball when she was in JUNIOR HIGH, and I sure know when I was that age I could hurl a rock a good distance and do a heck of lot of damage to a car window.

 

Also as I said before, many people may not get startled, what about the old lady or man who panics runs off the road and hits a tree (add in kids new to driving also), or worse turns into on coming traffic and causes a head on. or how about the family walking down the street who get run over. Just a few things that can happen and probably at one time or another have happened.

 

Now as far as being in crossbow range, I'd bet the people in the vehicle that fired it passed by the kids doing this and came back around ready for them on the second pass. While there is nothing to back that theory it does sound plausible.

 

Harry

[StarWarsGeek45 5]

Stupid SHOULD hurt.

 

Something tells me this dumbass kid won't be throwing rocks anymore.

[Zell959 40]

Just to understand in case I am reading it wrong, are you saying a rock being thrown by a kid isnt really a danger unless the car was moving??

 

If so, let me ask, what do you think a rock say 3/4" fill stone traveling at 60 MPH would do to a window of a car? I only say 60MPH being my cousin in AZ who's pitchers in softball hit 60 on her underhand fastball when she was in JUNIOR HIGH, and I sure know when I was that age I could hurl a rock a good distance and do a heck of lot of damage to a car window.

 

Also as I said before, many people may not get startled, what about the old lady or man who panics runs off the road and hits a tree (add in kids new to driving also), or worse turns into on coming traffic and causes a head on. or how about the family walking down the street who get run over. Just a few things that can happen and probably at one time or another have happened.

 

 

Not exactly my point. Thinking up a scenario where throwing rocks can be dangerous isn't difficult. My point is that nobody in those situations is going to have the opportunity to stop it and/or improve the outcome of those situations with a GD crossbow. I simply find the notion ridiculous.

 

Now as far as being in crossbow range, I'd bet the people in the vehicle that fired it passed by the kids doing this and came back around ready for them on the second pass. While there is nothing to back that theory it does sound plausible.

 

What you're describing would be an act of revenge, not justifiable personal defense. I agree that's probably what happened.

[maideneddie 35]

Sounds to me like a kid made a stupid mistake and an adult went way over the line. Of course you being the driver are going to be really pissed off that some kid threw a rock at your car (danger factor aside), but to turn around and shoot the kid with a crossbow.....have fun letting your defence attorney explain that one to a jury. This guy will get what he deserves, and hopefully the stupid kid learned his lesson. If not this won't be the last time he will feel pain.

[jose830 2]

I remember in my time of youth when I did something wrong I use to get hit with the belt or whatever my mom had closes to her ...lol...now and days some parents don't discipline their kids like before "old school a** wiping"...well what I'm trying to say is some learn with the belt some learn with the arrow...thank God the kid didn't die but I bet he'll never ever pick up a rock again.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

One more thing, being we don't know who the driver of the truck was and we can't rule out it was an adult, I think you can still get your permit at 15 1/2 out there.

 

Harry

 

 

[jose830 2]

The kid throwing rocks is lucky the one in the car didn't have a bazooka or a grenade...