Occupy Wall Street soon to be Occupy Vacant/Foreclosed properties?

[DevsAdvocate 112]

http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-oakland-to-encourage-occupation-of-foreclosed-properties-2011-11

 

With this OWS fad waning, the socialists and marxists are cooking up a scheme to squat in foreclosed properties as a way to stand up the banks... Maybe the would be a good time to enact Alan Greenspan's plan to save the housing/mortgage markets by burning down the excess supply?

[Babaganoosh 192]

Some banks are already bulldozing properties in the midwest.

[vladtepes 1,060]

step (1)

 

the socialists and marxists are cooking up a scheme to squat in foreclosed properties as a way to stand up the banks...

 

step (2)

 

Some banks are already bulldozing properties in the midwest.

 

combing these two thoughts appears to be a win win..

[KpdPipes 388]

step (1)

 

 

 

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combing these two thoughts appears to be a win win..

 

Worked for the Israelis

[vladtepes 1,060]

I talk to some of these people on facebook.. and the level of insanity is mind numbing..

 

if they just took the same time.. and effort to start their own business.. they could run it however they wanted.. they could pay Americans $40 an hour and all their medical costs.. just to make T-shirts.. as apposed to trying to make someone else do all the work..

[Babaganoosh 192]

Now why would you want to do that? Its easier to sit around and whine about life instead of trying to fix it

[njJoniGuy 2,138]

Now why would you want to do that? Its easier to sit around and whine about life instead of trying to fix it

 

Targets .... UP

[Babaganoosh 192]

Targets .... UP

 

Why? I doubt any of the protestors will be occupying my yard anytime soon.

[vladtepes 1,060]

without getting overly political.. these people sure are causing quite the stir... firing a bunch of people up about a bunch of stuff they can mindlessly follow.. is there a point where "occupy" becomes dangerous?

[KpdPipes 388]

without getting overly political.. these people sure are causing quite the stir... firing a bunch of people up about a bunch of stuff they can mindlessly follow.. is there a point where "occupy" becomes dangerous?

look at some of the videos where organizers are making speeches...or even just reading off news..it's like some ritual..they repeat in rote almost like a Catholic Liturgy. They're losing sympathy daily in the areas they are located, pretty soon it's gonna get violent...and i dont mean hickory shampoo/pepper spray/taser violent...I mean Chucklehead tossing or attempting to toss a molotov violent, and people getting their asses shot off.

[1563621 388]

Once it turns cold it will get nasty.

[Babaganoosh 192]

Once it turns cold it will get nasty.

 

Or a lot of them will just go home.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

Civil unrest beginning in Oakland...

 

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/02/general-strike-protesters-shut-down-port-of-oakland/

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111103/D9QP7IC80.html

 

My friend who lives there hasn't been going to work because of this. These protesters are near all the BART stations and they are not friendly at all...

[vladtepes 1,060]

Civil unrest beginning in Oakland...

 

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/02/general-strike-protesters-shut-down-port-of-oakland/

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111103/D9QP7IC80.html

 

My friend who lives there hasn't been going to work because of this. These protesters are near all the BART stations and they are not friendly at all...

 

 

this is what I am referring to..

 

the irony.. we are protesting unfair conditions that cause people not to succeed.. and our protesting is causing people not to be able to get to work and earn a living..

 

what a bunch of idiots..

[raz-0 1,265]

look at some of the videos where organizers are making speeches...or even just reading off news..it's like some ritual..they repeat in rote almost like a Catholic Liturgy. They're losing sympathy daily in the areas they are located, pretty soon it's gonna get violent...and i dont mean hickory shampoo/pepper spray/taser violent...I mean Chucklehead tossing or attempting to toss a molotov violent, and people getting their asses shot off.

 

The chanting is because they don't have an audio permit from the city for a PA. They put one up, use a megaphone, or whatever, they can be arrested and booked. So they simply have the audience repeat everything so everyone can hear it.

 

Admittedly it comes off kind of creepy, even if you do know why they do it.

 

ETA: And the exact same situation was faced in NYC tea party gatherings (except they had their audio permit rescinded) with the exact same work around. Was it crazy and cult like then?

[Stickle 2]

MIKE CHECK!

[BigHayden 77]

Funny, I remember all the liberals whining about how the tea party (or tea baggers, as they like to use) was so radical, racist, and potentially violent. How come the occupy people (flea baggers, I've heard them called ) got so violent so quickly? I don't remember any tea party events turning into bonfires in the streets and property damaged like with the occupy folks . Perhaps the tea party isn't as radical as they made us out to be.

[bbk 188]

I don't think it's a matter of who is more radical than another. There are bad apples on both sides, and the media tends to highlight them as they make better headlines. Sure, violent protestors in Oakland, but how about the opposite side of the spectrum? One could argue that they are not a representation of said organization, which I hope is true (that they are not affiliated that is), but it is undeniable that they are a representation of the extreme of the polar opposite [of the flea baggers-- I like that one].

 

Seems like the focus should be the general message, and not necessarily the actions of people. People lash out because they are frustrated. However, it is the ideals that are the basis of the discourse, and not the actions and reactions of the people involved. Man, like nature, is an imperfect creature... ideals on the other hand can be [perfect] as they are cultural and personal manifestations. It is not the ideal that is bastardized, but man who bastardizes said ideals.

[KpdPipes 388]

I don't think it's a matter of who is more radical than another. There are bad apples on both sides, and the media tends to highlight them as they make better headlines. Sure, violent protestors in Oakland, but how about the opposite side of the spectrum? One could argue that they are not a representation of said organization, which I hope is true (that they are not affiliated that is), but it is undeniable that they are a representation of the extreme of the polar opposite [of the flea baggers-- I like that one].

 

Seems like the focus should be the general message, and not necessarily the actions of people. People lash out because they are frustrated. However, it is the ideals that are the basis of the discourse, and not the actions and reactions of the people involved. Man, like nature, is an imperfect creature... ideals on the other hand can be [perfect] as they are cultural and personal manifestations. It is not the ideal that is bastardized, but man who bastardizes said ideals.

 

 

Notice that the guy in your linked article is the SAME GUY who is spearheading the Media Campaign against "Fast and Furious" BBK? Mike vanderboegh is the guy who blogs at Sipsey Street Irregulars, and is putting a LOT of heat on Holder and the DOJ. If they're "Looking into" Mike V, then Tom Clancy should have been investigated after 9-11...after all in "Debt of Honor" he had someone fly a 747 into the US Capitol. I;m normally not one to buy into Conspiracy theories, but this is just TOO Blatant.

[bbk 188]

Notice that the guy in your linked article is the SAME GUY who is spearheading the Media Campaign against "Fast and Furious" BBK? Mike vanderboegh is the guy who blogs at Sipsey Street Irregulars, and is putting a LOT of heat on Holder and the DOJ. If they're "Looking into" Mike V, then Tom Clancy should have been investigated after 9-11...after all in "Debt of Honor" he had someone fly a 747 into the US Capitol. I;m normally not one to buy into Conspiracy theories, but this is just TOO Blatant.

Regardless, my point was that it is man that bastardizes ideals and values and beliefs, while the ideals, values, and beliefs are, usually, not inherently "bad". So, to simply define an ideal based on the actions of man is illogical.

[KpdPipes 388]

Regardless, my point was that it is man that bastardizes ideals and values and beliefs, while the ideals, values, and beliefs are, usually, not inherently "bad". So, to simply define an ideal based on the actions of man is illogical.

I agree 100%

[Malsua 1,422]

It begins.

 

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Developer with shotgun scared off Oakland rioters

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/03/BACM1LQ5FU.DTL

 

(11-03) 14:46 PDT OAKLAND -- Oakland developer Phil Tagami is used to working behind the scenes to broker some of the biggest deals in town. Late Wednesday, he was using different persuasive skills - holding a loaded shotgun to scare away rioters trying to get into a downtown building.

 

"We had people who were attempted to break into our building," the landmark Rotunda Building on Frank Ogawa Plaza outside City Hall, Tagami said today. He grabbed a shotgun that he usually keeps at home, went down to the ground floor and "discouraged them," he said.

 

No police were in sight, he said.

 

"Basically, people were pushing to get through the door," he said. "I was standing there and they saw me there, and I lifted it - I didn't point it - I just held it in my hands. And I just racked it, and they ran."

 

Although they didn't get inside the building - Tagami, 46, oversaw its $50 million renovation and has an office there - vandals did scrawl graffiti on the outside walls during the post-midnight riot that broke out after Occupy Oakland's daylong general strike.

 

The Rotunda Building was far from the only target. Graffiti was spray-painted on many buildings along Broadway from 14th to 16th streets. Masked vandals shattered windows, started fires and threw objects at police, including lit flares and powerful M-1000 firecrackers.

 

Officers responded by firing tear gas and flash-bang grenades and arresting at least 80 people on suspicion of remaining at the scene of a riot. One was arrested on suspicion of felony vandalism after an officer spotted the protester breaking a window, police said.

 

Another protester, Eric Benard, 37, was arrested on suspicion of obstructing police, battery on a police officer and assault causing great bodily injury.

 

Five civilians were hurt along with three police officers, one of whom was bitten by a protester, said interim Police Chief Howard Jordan. About 400 officers from 14 law-enforcement agencies took part in the overnight action, he said.

 

As the sun rose, downtown Oakland business owners were again assessing the damage, much as they did after a series of protests related to the killing of unarmed BART rider Oscar Grant in 2009.

 

Crews were boarding up broken windows at the Tully's Coffee shop just steps from Frank Ogawa Plaza at 14th and Broadway, center of the nearly monthlong Occupy Oakland movement. Graffiti was sprayed on the Rite Aid and Walgreens drugstores across from each other at 14th and Broadway.

 

Vandals also scrawled messages and broke windows at the Oakland Police Department's internal affairs and recruiting office on the plaza.

 

"All cops are bastards," one message read.

 

The smell of cleaning chemicals was everywhere.

 

City Administrator Deanna Santana apologized to business owners for the "chaotic events" that have enveloped the city.

 

Mayor Jean Quan called the rioters "a small and isolated group."

 

"It shouldn't mar the overall impact of the demonstration and the fact that people in the 99 percent movement demonstrated peacefully and, for the most part, were productive and very peaceful."

 

Tagami disagreed, calling the Occupy Oakland encampment "basically concealment and cover for anarchists who are doing this to our city."

 

"We're very concerned that a group of people can be allowed to do this type of destruction to our town and to our image without any repercussions," Tagami said. "They need to be held accountable."

 

He rejected assertions that the anarchists were a small minority, saying, "No, you can't have it both ways."

 

Tagami said he had been working late at the Rotunda Building on Wednesday when he and the janitorial staff were essentially locked inside because of the unrest. He had brought his shotgun from home because he knew he'd be working late, as he does most nights.

 

"I support a peaceful protest," he said. "But it was a siege situation last night, and quite frankly, I'm glad we were here. But I never want to have to do that again."

 

Other businesses that professed support for Occupy Oakland's general strike didn't escape the damage.

 

At the Men's Wearhouse, which had closed Wednesday and put up signs in support of the strike, windows were shattered. A box nearby read, "Cop uniform surrender box." No police uniforms were inside.

 

Many Occupy Oakland sympathizers were dismayed by the damage, and some tried to do something about it today.

 

Leandro Marques, 33, and two women were scrubbing graffiti at noontime from the facade of Genji, a Japanese restaurant in the City Hall plaza.

 

"I'm not happy with the way a few people are trying to take the movement," said Marques, an auto engineer who lives in Berkeley. "People were so excited with what was happening yesterday. People should have gone to sleep and regained their energy."

 

He added, "Doing things to small businesses is about the worst thing you can do. You're hurting people who are poor like you."

 

Rachel Konte, owner of Oakllectiv, said her designer clothing shop had its plate glass window smashed and hundreds of dollars of T-shirts stolen.

 

"Someone texted us at 3 a.m. and said our store was being vandalized," Konte said. "Some protesters guarded our store for us. We're so thankful and grateful for that. It could have been devastating."

 

She said, "We're still committed to Oakland. I don't know who vandalized us, but I bet they don't live here. This is a wonderful community and we're definitely staying."

 

Chronicle staff writers Carolyn Jones and Demian Bulwa contributed to this report.

 

E-mail Henry K. Lee at [email protected].

[vladtepes 1,060]

It begins.

 

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Developer with shotgun scared off Oakland rioters

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/03/BACM1LQ5FU.DTL

 

good for him..

[hd2000fxdl 422]

The sad thing it the longer this goes on the more likely there are going to be people hurt real bad, and you know there are going to be some who are only trying to protect themselves and will have a life changing event also.