Nick T 4 Posted December 21, 2011 Does anyone know what the law is in PA. I'm head out there after Christmas and figured if I'm in the area I'd pop in and see what they had and if I saw something I liked I'd buy it. However my NJ FID card is old, (different address) and my new town is dragging their feet. Can I legally purchase in PA or not bother stopping in at Cabela's while I'm in free America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted December 21, 2011 http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/29389-nj-law-summary-read-first-nj-gun-law-faqs/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pew Pew Plates 358 Posted December 21, 2011 You need a valid FID to purchase there, unless its an air gun or black powder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted December 21, 2011 They probably will not sell to you without matching addresses (DL to FPID). But as has been discussed this is not in the statutes. However, IIRC, there are time limitations for address changes on both your DL and FPID card. If your out that way, I'd stop anyway. Can't ever tell, they may sell to you. Adios, PIzza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick T 4 Posted December 21, 2011 I figured as much, thanks for all the input fellas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkWVU02 47 Posted December 21, 2011 I bought my 590 in cabelas in PA with no problems. You should be gtg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommy3rd 132 Posted December 21, 2011 You need a valid FID to purchase there, unless its an air gun or black powder. will Cabela's sell you an air gun (pistol) knowing that you need a pistol purchase permit if you're in the PRNJ? It's possible that they might say "this has to be transferred to an FFL in NJ and you have to pick it up there." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hd2000fxdl 422 Posted December 21, 2011 I bought my 590 in cabelas in PA with no problems. You should be gtg. I would be GTG being I have an FID and DL with matching addresses, did you do it with different addresses like the OP is going to attempt?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkWVU02 47 Posted December 21, 2011 I would be GTG being I have an FID and DL with matching addresses, did you do it with different addresses like the OP is going to attempt?? Wow totally missed that part. I had the change of address sticker on my DL that matched my FID so I guess it didn't matter. I'd say give it a try but the wait at Cabelas can be brutal. I'd hate to see him wait and get denied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick T 4 Posted December 21, 2011 I still have my matching DL with the punch hole that matches my FID, chances are I won't bother as stated about the possibility of a wait... My new town sucks, guess that's what I get for living somewhere who's recent claim to fame is the home town to a local cop killer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted December 21, 2011 will Cabela's sell you an air gun (pistol) knowing that you need a pistol purchase permit if you're in the PRNJ? It's possible that they might say "this has to be transferred to an FFL in NJ and you have to pick it up there." Air rifles/pistols and blackpowder guns aren't guns outside of NJ. You pick these items off the shelf and bring them to the register. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted December 21, 2011 When one buys a firearm, the DL# is checked by NICS and it must match what one puts down on the form AND must be valid, i.e. not expired and not suspended. In NJ, this info is cross referenced with one's SBI number. There is no way to get around matching addresses on the 4473, FPID and DL. In every state, if you put down your old address on the federal 4473 form in an attempt to match your DL, you WILL have a problem. A BIG one at that. In all other states besides NJ, if you attempt to exhibit a FPID that does not match your DL, you MAY have a problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulnj088 9 Posted December 23, 2011 cabelas after xmas is a maddhouse. i waited almost 3 hours one year :fugg: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MandM 2 Posted December 29, 2011 Was there yesterday... when I walked over to the rifle counter/area when I got there at 10am, they were only helping #81... and there were literally HUNDREDS of people waiting in line. The line never got any shorter when I left at 3pm either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted December 30, 2011 When one buys a firearm, the DL# is checked by NICS and it must match what one puts down on the form AND must be valid, i.e. not expired and not suspended. You do not need a DL to buy a gun from an FFL at all, or to pass a NICS check. However, most FFLs will want to see a DL because they are worried about people from out of state. (don't know what applies to NJ, except experience listed below) In NJ, this info is cross referenced with one's SBI number. There is no way to get around matching addresses on the 4473, FPID and DL. I know "people" that passed NICS in NJ with a NJ FID and a DL with a different address. Matter of fact, I don't think I they were even asked for the DL. "They" were not prohibitted persons, of course, and passed NICS. They didn't do anything wrong. In every state, if you put down your old address on the federal 4473 form in an attempt to match your DL, you WILL have a problem. A BIG one at that. You can purchase from an FFL without showing a DL outside of NJ. Just that most FFLs won't do it unless you show them something, and most prefer a DL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted December 30, 2011 You do not need a DL to buy a gun from an FFL at all, or to pass a NICS check. However, most FFLs will want to see a DL because they are worried about people from out of state. (don't know what applies to NJ, except experience listed below) One must exhibit a Government issued Photo ID, which 99% of the time is a DL. Of course there are other ones available and accepted. The identification must also have a current address on it. I know "people" that passed NICS in NJ with a NJ FID and a DL with a different address. Matter of fact, I don't think I they were even asked for the DL. "They" were not prohibitted persons, of course, and passed NICS. They didn't do anything wrong. They got away with it. You can purchase from an FFL without showing a DL outside of NJ. Just that most FFLs won't do it unless you show them something, and most prefer a DL. As stated, a Government issued Photo ID must be presented per Federal Law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted December 30, 2011 One must exhibit a Government issued Photo ID, which 99% of the time is a DL. Of course there are other ones available and accepted. The identification must also have a current address on it. I don't know these laws, can you show me the law that requires a current address on an ID for purchase? I'd like to read the law. Reason I ask is, I have a feeling that if this is true it is a requirement of the FFLs record keeping and not crime on the part of the purchaser for showing an ID without a current address. And I want to know for sure. It sounds like you know, whereas I wouldn't know where to look. Other than lying on the form (transferee), the laws to break for transferring a firearm are usually on the side of the transferor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted December 30, 2011 Perhaps page 3 of the June, 2010 ATF Newsletter will explain it better than I. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted December 31, 2011 Thanks! Looks like I will have to check "(See 18 U.S.C. § 922(t)(1)©, 27 C.F.R. § 478.124©(3)(i), and 27 C.F.R. § 478.11)" I see no direct citation there by the ATF saying that documents must by statute or regulation have current address, only the ATF telling the FFL that they must make sure of it. Further, looks like the burden (if there is anything beyond license status) is on the FFL and I read nothing suggesting peril to the purchaser. I'm guessing it's just a procedural thing with the ATF, since they did cite actual legal requirements earlier where applicable. I'll know nothing until I look through the law, and probably less then , and then cross-check with some people I know. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hd2000fxdl 422 Posted December 31, 2011 Thanks! Looks like I will have to check "(See 18 U.S.C. § 922(t)(1)©, 27 C.F.R. § 478.124©(3)(i), and 27 C.F.R. § 478.11)" I see no direct citation there by the ATF saying that documents must by statute or regulation have current address, only the ATF telling the FFL that they must make sure of it. Further, looks like the burden (if there is anything beyond license status) is on the FFL and I read nothing suggesting peril to the purchaser. I'm guessing it's just a procedural thing with the ATF, since they did cite actual legal requirements earlier where applicable. I'll know nothing until I look through the law, and probably less then , and then cross-check with some people I know. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! Just checking and I think you know this, but you do realize that Paul is a FFL, Right?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soju 153 Posted December 31, 2011 And FFL's are capable of making mistakes....so you can either just trust what somebody says is true, or you can confirm it as such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites