Mike903 1 Posted March 1, 2012 If you walk into a walmart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted March 1, 2012 If you walk into a walmart in PA and legally buy a bb gun, can you bring that back to nj legally? NO.. the NJSP.. ATF... and FBI will raid your house with a chainsaw and shoot you dead.. now for the non ridiculous answer. NJ classifies bb/pellet guns as firearms in NJ.. meaning that while in NJ you must abide by the laws.. PA has no such view on BB/pellet guns.. NJ law stretches to its border.. while IN PA you may purchase a BB/pellet gun.. because it is not a firearm in PA.. once you cross NJ border it magically transforms into a firearm (seriously) meaning the moment you cross the border you treat it the same as any other gun.. at this time there is no mandatory gun registration in NJ so you would not need to do anything with it once purchased.. just follow the same laws as regular firearms.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike903 1 Posted March 1, 2012 So what your saying is I can buy a bb gun in PA and as long as I transport it locked in my trunk back to my house I'm good to go. The police do not ever have to be notified that I bought one? It would be pretty funny to have your FID yanked because of a stupid pellet gun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted March 1, 2012 So what your saying is I can buy a bb gun in PA and as long as I transport it locked in my trunk back to my house I'm good to go. The police do not ever have to be notified that I bought one? It would be pretty funny to have your FID yanked because of a stupid pellet gun! no one can technically answer that with %100 accuracy due to the insanity that is the NJ legal system.. BUT I will say this.. in PA the gun is NOT a firearm... so the gun is legal for you to purchase in PA... that is set in stone %100 accurate.. in NJ it IS a firearm.. there is no mandatory gun registration that I am aware of so you are good to go there.. you simply have to treat it as a real gun.. which creates the ONLY catch.. if it is a "real firearm" in NJ.. then does that technically mean ALL rules.. (15round mag capacity.. no folding stocks,, etc...) that is the only catch IMO.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qel Hoth 33 Posted March 1, 2012 in NJ it IS a firearm.. there is no mandatory gun registration that I am aware of so you are good to go there.. you simply have to treat it as a real gun.. which creates the ONLY catch.. if it is a "real firearm" in NJ.. then does that technically mean ALL rules.. (15round mag capacity.. no folding stocks,, etc...) that is the only catch IMO.. That is not correct. While BB guns ARE firearms in NJ, they are not subject to the magazine or "evil features" restrictions. Coalition of New Jersey Sportsmen v Florio, decided in US District Court for NJ, 1990. For the reasons set forth in this Court's opinion filed this day, August 15, 1990; IT IS ORDERED that the Court does hereby abstain from decision under Railroad Comm'n of Texas v. Pullman, 312 U.S. 496, 61 S.Ct. 643, 85 L.Ed. 971 (1941), as to the first claim of plaintiff's complaint, until such time that either party can demonstrate that the underlying issues of state law have been resolved in the first instance by the New Jersey state courts, or that further abstention is otherwise unwarranted; and it is FURTHER ORDERED that plaintiffs' motion for a preliminary injunction be and is hereby granted in part; and it is FURTHER ORDERED that defendants, their employees, officers, and/or agents be and are hereby preliminarily enjoined from enforcement of or prosecution under, N.J.S.A. 2C:39-3(j), and N.J.S.A. 2C:39-9(h) against any and all owners of semi-automatic B- B or pellet-firing air guns whose guns contain non-detachable magazines in excess of fifteen (15) rounds; and it is FURTHER ORDERED that defendants, their employees, officers, and/or agents be and are hereby preliminarily enjoined from enforcement of, or prosecution under, N.J S.A. 2C:39-5(f) and N.J.S.A. 2C:39-9(g) against any and all owners of semi-automatic B- B or pellet-firing air guns whose guns are designed to be fired from the: shoulder, and have either a magazine capacity in excess of six (6) rounds, a folding stock, or a pistol grip; and it is FURTHER ORDERED that plaintiffs' motion for a preliminary injunction be and is hereby denied in all other respects; and it is FURTHER ORDERED that plaintiffs' interstate travel claim be and is hereby dismissed pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(6). for full text http://www.constitution.org/2ll/bardwell/cnjs_v_florio.txt 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G115BA 0 Posted March 1, 2012 Just remember when you transport it to keep the bb,s stored away from the gun, or they could get you on that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted March 1, 2012 Just remember when you transport it to keep the bb,s stored away from the gun, or they could get you on that. There is no law about separating ammo from the gun. The gun is either loaded or not, the location of ammo does not matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorilla800lbs 12 Posted March 1, 2012 Note the "semi-automatic" part. I figure selective fire airguns such as MetalStorm or Drozd could still get you in trouble? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted March 1, 2012 Watch out for those hollow nose BB's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJdiverTony 27 Posted March 1, 2012 Ughhh... Our state is so friggin stupid... We shouldn't even have to have discussions like these over a damn pellet gun! It's just ridiculous!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
this_is_nascar 162 Posted March 1, 2012 NO.. the NJSP.. ATF... and FBI will raid your house with a chainsaw and shoot you dead.. now for the non ridiculous answer. NJ classifies bb/pellet guns as firearms in NJ.. meaning that while in NJ you must abide by the laws.. PA has no such view on BB/pellet guns.. NJ law stretches to its border.. while IN PA you may purchase a BB/pellet gun.. because it is not a firearm in PA.. once you cross NJ border it magically transforms into a firearm (seriously) meaning the moment you cross the border you treat it the same as any other gun.. at this time there is no mandatory gun registration in NJ so you would not need to do anything with it once purchased.. just follow the same laws as regular firearms.. If ever questioned, for whatever reason during a search even at your home, do you need to be able to prove that you purchased it in PA or anywhere for that matter? What I'm trying to asked (sorry it's not coming out correctly) is that if you "lost" the receipt and was ever questioned about it in NJ (since you wouldn't have a P2P for it, since not purchased in NJ) would that be an issue/concern? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midwest 28 Posted March 1, 2012 In NJ they classify BB Pistols as handguns... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
this_is_nascar 162 Posted March 1, 2012 In NJ they classify BB Pistols as handguns... Sure, unless it's a BB rifle . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishpaw 17 Posted March 1, 2012 Note the "semi-automatic" part. I figure selective fire airguns such as MetalStorm or Drozd could still get you in trouble? So technically the Shoot the Star bb guns at fairs, carnivals and boardwalks are illegal machine guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted March 1, 2012 So technically the Shoot the Star bb guns at fairs, carnivals and boardwalks are illegal machine guns? Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
this_is_nascar 162 Posted March 1, 2012 So technically the Shoot the Star bb guns at fairs, carnivals and boardwalks are illegal machine guns? Yes. Interesting. So, I guess that's along the same lines as tables at the local flea-marts selling drug related items? No one polices those vendors and what they sell, but if a person purchases an item and gets pulled over for a traffic stop, they can get arrested for having drug related items in their car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted March 1, 2012 Interesting. So, I guess that's along the same lines as tables at the local flea-marts selling drug related items? No one polices those vendors and what they sell, but if a person purchases an item and gets pulled over for a traffic stop, they can get arrested for having drug related items in their car. Not anymore... http://lawrenceville.patch.com/articles/local-federal-authorities-raid-lawrence-smoke-shop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
this_is_nascar 162 Posted March 1, 2012 Not anymore... http://lawrenceville...ence-smoke-shop Glad to hear it. It's certainly a start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonF 79 Posted March 1, 2012 So technically the Shoot the Star bb guns at fairs, carnivals and boardwalks are illegal machine guns? Do any of those still exist down the various shore boardwalks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedBowTies88 41 Posted March 1, 2012 yep, wildwood has at least 3 shoot the star booths... I used to frequent them often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted March 1, 2012 I remembered reading something to that effect (on this site I think) That is not correct. While BB guns ARE firearms in NJ, they are not subject to the magazine or "evil features" restrictions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted March 1, 2012 There was a shoot the star booth that had those automatic pneumatic bb guns at the state fair when I went back in August. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nathaniel 0 Posted May 16, 2012 I don't understand how a BB gun becomes legal in one state and the same gun in another state is considered illegal? How can that ever make any logic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Turtle 11 Posted May 16, 2012 There is no logic in nj. Absolutely none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Turtle 11 Posted May 16, 2012 There was a shoot the star booth that had those automatic pneumatic bb guns at the state fair when I went back in August. Call the state police and ask them if its legal. I bet they would.be dumb founded and not answer you a clear and precise answer, just like any other time they open there mouths about firearm laws in our wonderful state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AS350Driver 56 Posted May 16, 2012 Ok, not to hijack this thread, but if you buy a bb/pellet rifle in NJ do you pay for a NICS check? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 16, 2012 Ok, not to hijack this thread, but if you buy a bb/pellet rifle in NJ do you pay for a NICS check? in NJ it IS a firearm.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 16, 2012 I don't understand how a BB gun becomes legal in one state and the same gun in another state is considered illegal? How can that ever make any logic? it is not legal or illegal.. it is restricted and not restricted.. it is the same as "open carry" is legal in one state but not in another... states DO actually have different laws.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midwest 28 Posted May 16, 2012 I don't understand how a BB gun becomes legal in one state and the same gun in another state is considered illegal? How can that ever make any logic? I know BP wasn't mentioned, but it is also restricted like the BB gun/air rifle. Black Powder guns are also considered firearms in NJ, in other states they are not. On the Federal level, the BATF does not consider BB guns or BP guns as firearms, but NJ (and some other states) consider them firearms. Hangun permit needed in NJ for BB Gun Pistol Black Powder Pistol FID needed in NJ for BB Gun Rifle Black Powder rifle I'm not sure when these laws went in effect, I want to say 1966 for both black powder and bb gun/air rifle. But I saw a law that banned BB/air guns in 1958 in NJ. So maybe they bought them back with the FID law in 1966 or soon after. The black powder permit requirement, I read elsewhere that it didn't become law until much later, in the 70's or 80's..although I originally thought it was 1966. Other states and cities have restrictions on BB guns as well as BP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted May 16, 2012 As to the original question, I think you'd also have to not be a person prohibited from owning firearms to legally bring the bb rifle/gun back into NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites