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I am really liking that this issue is getting talked up. I hope it will reach critical mass, but I'm not holding my breath. 

 

But the stockholm syndrome in NJ needs to end. More people need to be less afraid of the state. "That's the way it's always been, it's not gonna change" attitude needs to go away. 

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I only caught the tail end of the discussion on the radio.  I did agree with the host (Gearhart?).  If people are afraid and feel threatened then they have a right to what it takes to protect themselves.  If that includes owning or wearing a gun, then so be it.  The government's job is not to keep legal and responsible people from protecting themselves.  Their job is to solve the threat.. to take away the reason its citizens are afraid.   And so far nobody seems willing to do that.

 

 

He also said something along the lines of "I acknowledge your right to carry a gun, but I don't think I like it.. I don't trust everyone'. Which may cut to the point for many people.. Trust.  Most people don't trust other people.. so the thought of those people having a lethal weapon is unnerving..

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He also said something along the lines of "I acknowledge your right to carry a gun, but I don't think I like it.. I don't trust everyone'. Which may cut to the point for many people.. Trust.  Most people don't trust other people.. so the thought of those people having a lethal weapon is unnerving..

 

 Mostly every state(with some exceptions, like NJ, MD) allow some form of CCW.  This guy might not realize it, but when on vacation in sunny Florida with his family(just an example), he was likely around someone carrying a pistol concealed on their body at some point.   But he didn't know it...out of sight, out of mind.  

That being said...his comment of "so the thought of those people having a lethal weapon is unnerving" is baseless.  If that were true he wouldn't leave his house.  Or leave NJ(well, except for all of the armed criminals who couldn't care less about NJ's gun laws). 

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 Mostly every state(with some exceptions, like NJ, MD) allow some form of CCW.  This guy might not realize it, but when on vacation in sunny Florida with his family(just an example), he was likely around someone carrying a pistol concealed on their body at some point.   But he didn't know it...out of sight, out of mind.  

That being said...his comment of "so the thought of those people having a lethal weapon is unnerving" is baseless.  If that were true he wouldn't leave his house.  Or leave NJ(well, except for all of the armed criminals who couldn't care less about NJ's gun laws). 

 

True.. Some people have the belief that if CCW was loosened it would turn our society into a warzone.. as if CCW == Syria.  As point out several places (here and NJ.com comments), if that were true then the states that allow CCW would already be that way.. and that clearly isn't happening. 

 

Still.. I think calling it baseless oversimplifies things.  We're a society that no longer trusts one-another.  I don't know you, so I don't trust you, so I don't want you to have a tool that enables you to escalate a violent situation to lethal levels.  Even if it's exaggerated, it is still a fear and not so easily dismissed.  It doesn't matter that most CCW holders wouldn't escalate (or even allow themselves to get in that situation in the first place).  The fear is still there.

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Problem is the people he really shouldn't trust are generally the ones who carry pistols because they don't care about the law to begin with.

True.  And he did acknowledge that point.  And at least he also acknowledged the dichotomy:  "You can have a gun to protect yourself.. but I don't know if I trust you with it".. That's a much better stand than the politicians who only see the one side of it.

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True.. Some people have the belief that if CCW was loosened it would turn our society into a warzone.. as if CCW == Syria. As point out several places (here and NJ.com comments), if that were true then the states that allow CCW would already be that way.. and that clearly isn't happening.

 

Still.. I think calling it baseless oversimplifies things. We're a society that no longer trusts one-another. I don't know you, so I don't trust you, so I don't want you to have a tool that enables you to escalate a violent situation to lethal levels. Even if it's exaggerated, it is still a fear and not so easily dismissed. It doesn't matter that most CCW holders wouldn't escalate (or even allow themselves to get in that situation in the first place). The fear is still there.

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True.  And he did acknowledge that point.  And at least he also acknowledged the dichotomy:  "You can have a gun to protect yourself.. but I don't know if I trust you with it".. That's a much better stand than the politicians who only see the one side of it.

 

Well, if they enacted CCW in NJ for a trial period of 5 years like some have suggested, perhaps that would help him gain a little trust in us law abiding carrying concealed guns.  It would prove to everyone, politicians included that it won't turn into the wild west/Syria. 

Unless of course he's out robbing people, then he would have a reason to fear...you don't know who is armed and who isn't. 

 

But of course this is NJ and anything logical is wrong. 

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I think the message fails to get across that majority of states have expanded gun rights or have already had these laws on the books in the last 30 yrs. The wild west scenario does not jive because there are literally 7/8ths of the country already coexisting with "reasonable" and "common sense" concealed carry laws on the books. I dont necessarily think people in NJ and NY understand that we/they are the SUPER MINORITY in terms of 2nd amendment rights. Seems like everyone else is handling ccw just fine. 

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Well, if they enacted CCW in NJ for a trial period of 5 years like some have suggested, perhaps that would help him gain a little trust in us law abiding carrying concealed guns.  It would prove to everyone, politicians included that it won't turn into the wild west/Syria. 

 

Awareness, visibility, and maybe experience and some level of training could all help change the public perception of CCW holders.

 

At a minimum we need to keep people like this from continuing the view that handing someone a firearm turns them from Mr Walker to Mr Wheeler

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