DC Handgun Carry Ban Overturned!

[ryan_j 0]

   

 

I don't think that quote in and of itself means you don't need a license to possess a firearm or ammunition in DC, which is a separate issue from carrying a handgun in public.

 

The DC police chief disagrees. From Emily Miller:

 

"Per DC Police Chief Lanier, the only gun arrests allowed now are DC residents with unregistered guns and non-residents who are prohibited under federal laws from possessing firearms. Everyone else is in the clear."

 

Emily is a reliable source, and this is from the MPDC chief Lanier. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/EmilyMillerDC/posts/772351989490379?fref=nf

[JoeInOcean 0]

OK, Understanding this will take 3 or more years to work itself through to SCOTUS, I'm considering just applying for my carry permit under the reasoning outlined in the courts explanation..that Heller protects the right to self defense in private and public.. expecting to be denied, but to be available as a litigant in the followup case.. anyone else so motivated?

[diamondd817 827]

I like the part of the ruling that DC has to recognize all out of state permits. That could be used against NJ's scheme. That could be positive for us.

[NYMetsFan86 9]

I am not seeing non-resident permits specified, unless I can't find it. I understand all states were granted reciprocity but no info about having to be a resident of said state. 

[mipafox 438]

 

The DC police chief disagrees. From Emily Miller:

 

"Per DC Police Chief Lanier, the only gun arrests allowed now are DC residents with unregistered guns and non-residents who are prohibited under federal laws from possessing firearms. Everyone else is in the clear."

 

Emily is a reliable source, and this is from the MPDC chief Lanier. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/EmilyMillerDC/posts/772351989490379?fref=nf

 

 

The DC police chief does not disagree. None of that came from the ruling, and certainly not from your quote.

 

If Emily on Facebook is reliable concerning the legal peril of years in prison then the DC Police Chief has chosen a path of least possible criticism as a temporary measure.

[ryan_j 0]

   

 

The DC police chief does not disagree. None of that came from the ruling, and certainly not from your quote.

 

If Emily on Facebook is reliable concerning the legal peril of years in prison then the DC Police Chief has chosen a path of least possible criticism as a temporary measure.

 

It really doesn't matter. Starting on Saturday, anyone with a legal gun in DC can carry. Full. Stop.

 

You do have to obey other laws such as the 10 round limit. But Lanier also stated that there is no registration requirement for non-residents.

 

Remember, LE could have already carried in DC under LEOSA. Do you think all of them registered their guns with DC? I don't think so! 

[ryan_j 0]

I am not seeing non-resident permits specified, unless I can't find it. I understand all states were granted reciprocity but no info about having to be a resident of said state. 

 

There is nothing about non resident permits. It is constitutional carry for residents and non-residents alike. if you aren't a prohibited person, you can carry. Full. Stop.

 

DC residents can only carry legally registered guns. But everyone else can carry their legal guns from out of state. 

 

This is what would have happened in Illinois if the legislature did not make the deadline to pass the FCCA. 

[ryan_j 0]

OK, Understanding this will take 3 or more years to work itself through to SCOTUS, I'm considering just applying for my carry permit under the reasoning outlined in the courts explanation..that Heller protects the right to self defense in private and public.. expecting to be denied, but to be available as a litigant in the followup case.. anyone else so motivated?

 

I think we should ALL do that. We should also have a qualification party at a local range. 

 

i am with you. Who else is with me? 

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

https://twitter.com/EmilyMiller/status/493572214558851072

 

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

I'm considering applying for a NJ concealed permit now.  For the "justifiable reason" I'd write:

 

 

 

My justifiable need is lawful self defense.  Please note that denying this application and citing "lawful self defense" as not a "justifiable need" is in direct opposition to the the recent ruling by the United States District Court of the District of Columbia in Palmer v. DC.  In addition, should this application be denied I will provide a copy of my application and denial as evidence in support of the plaintiff of any future challenge to New Jersey's interpretation of the right to carry firearms.

[lunker 274]

Hey Ryan_J, thank you for sifting through the legalese and keeping up on current events, and explaining it all to us non-lawyer types. It is much appreciated.

[NYMetsFan86 9]

I think we should ALL do that. We should also have a qualification party at a local range. 

 

i am with you. Who else is with me? 

 

 

qualification party at CJRPC haha

[springfieldxds 0]

I think we should ALL do that. We should also have a qualification party at a local range. 

 

i am with you. Who else is with me? 

ill apply

[NYMetsFan86 9]

I'll download the paperwork today... Wouldn't be good to get this going on a larger scale? maybe re-introduce it to NJ2AS. I think there would be a lot more willing to apply given this most recent ruling and if they new we had the NJ2A attorney's backing it as well. Just a thought

[diamondd817 827]

I'll apply. But it would make more sense to get 1,000 or so to apply at the same time. A 1,000+ denials will make a court case much stonger.

[NJPatriot 0]

I'm in too, if this gets properly organized.   

[ryan_j 0]

I want large numbers as well. We could have a few locations, North, Central and South. We could have a free or low cost (with proceeds to fund litigation) clinic where we get our apps together. 

[ryan_j 0]

For all the doubters:

 

http://alangura.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/07-137-14.pdf

[DeerSlayer 241]

I'm in to apply as well.

[jackandjill 683]

For all the doubters:

 

http://alangura.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/07-137-14.pdf

Interesting Scenarios (2&3) mentioned in that document.  Does it mean if a person from NJ (who doesnt have a NJ carry permit) carries in DC, he/she will be arrested because NJ requires a carry permit ?

[ryan_j 0]

Interesting Scenarios (2&3) mentioned in that document.  Does it mean if a person from NJ (who doesnt have a NJ carry permit) carries in DC, he/she will be arrested because NJ requires a carry permit ?

 

No.

 

The scenarios are just that, scenarios. The real "meat" of this is that they're going to stop enforcing the carry ban. They will keep enforcing the registration requirement for residents and they are enforcing the 10 round limit and other stuff such as AWB. 

 

But if you're going to DC, you're good. Just avoid Maryland which is still off limits. 

[Newtonian 453]

For all the doubters:

 

http://alangura.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/07-137-14.pdf

Pretty f-ing unreal. Not only did they get the ruling, but officials are actually obeying it. It's constitutional carry for non-residents, but residents have to register their guns.

 

I thought that D.C. would be the last place on earth this would happen.

[67gtonut 847]

Pretty f-ing unreal. Not only did they get the ruling, but officials are actually obeying it. It's constitutional carry for non-residents, but residents have to register their guns.

 

I thought that D.C. would be the last place on earth this would happen.

 

I agree...... I have to admit, the whole thing is surreal ......

[Newtonian 453]

I agree...... I have to admit, the whole thing is surreal ......

Last time I experienced this "too good to be true" feeling was when the Giants hired Dan Reeves. A few years later he was fired by the most over-rated GM in history. 

[DeerSlayer 241]

Pretty f-ing unreal.

I thought that D.C. would be the last place on earth this would happen.

Nope NJ will be the last place this will happen, possibly Maryland.

[Jfoster99 80]

Constitutional Carry in DC... Never in a million years would i have believed it possible.

 

Take note NJ legislature/courts. If you push it to far you can end up having it backfire on you...

 

NJ might want to put a "real" may issue ccw process in place before they have a shall issue put in place for them...

[jackandjill 683]

On a side note, I find NJ 2A orgs to be very passive.  I probably get an email from CA FFL group about this before getting anything from NJ groups. 

Not sure if they dont have funds, backing or have info that isnt available to public.

 

What happened to that "mass concealed carry " application effort ?

[Alex V 99]

I have SP642 downloaded.  Let's DO THIS!

[Jfoster99 80]

Also, I highly doubt constitutional open carry with remain for any length of time...

 

It is almost worth the trip down to DC just to walk down Pensylvania Avenue open carrying my 1911... What a sight would be....

 

 

What about long guns?... Can you sling you neutered AR on your back as you walk past the white house??

[Jfoster99 80]

Upon reading the details looks like only pistols are now allowed.... Like this Pistol...