diamondd817 827 Posted February 2, 2015 I also thought to or from the range, but in looking for the statute, could not find it. N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that: (2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)]. Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ." N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1). Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows: 1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police; 2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State; 3.A person going directly to a target range, and; 4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted February 2, 2015 About a week ago I had some idiot on the hunting forum arguing with me, about not being able to use hollow points inside your home for SD. I told him to show me where it says you cant. And he couldn't provide a statue that said so. I told him if its legal to posses in your home and it doesn't say you cant use it in the law, then how could you be convicted of a crime if there's no law that said otherwise. He said something like just because it doesn't say you cant dosent mean you can. I told him I believed he consumed lead paint chips as a child. Am I correct here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyfire 0 Posted February 2, 2015 Exactly! If it were illegal, you wouldn't be allowed to purchase it...period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 827 Posted February 3, 2015 Exactly! If it were illegal, you wouldn't be allowed to purchase it...period. That's not always the case. Just an FYI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted February 3, 2015 If anyone is interested, SGAMMO just got a shipment of Winchester Range T-series in 9mm (+P and standard) and in 45acp. This ammo is pretty rare to find available and I'm sure will sell out quick... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted February 3, 2015 124gr +P http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/50-round-box-9mm-luger-p-hollow-point-winchester-ranger-t-series-ammo-ra9124tp-li 147gr http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/50-round-box-9mm-luger-winchester-ranger-147-grain-t-series-hollow-point-ammo-ra9 Case http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/500-round-case-9mm-luger-147-grain-t-series-hollow-point-winchester-ranger-ra9t-l Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted February 3, 2015 the +P's will probably sell out by tomorrow Tons of the standard pressure 147gr's left Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeL 3 Posted February 3, 2015 How often do you guys shoot your HD/SD ammo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted February 3, 2015 How often do you guys shoot your HD/SD ammo?Not often it's expensive. I have put it on paper though, no difference I saw between it and ball ammo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeL 3 Posted February 3, 2015 Not often it's expensive. I have put it on paper though, no difference I saw between it and ball ammo. Ok, just checking. I shot a box or 2 to make sure the POA/POI is correct & that my gun shoots it fine and since I have just left it in the magazines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted February 3, 2015 Ok, just checking. I shot a box or 2 to make sure the POA/POI is correct & that my gun shoots it fine and since I have just left it in the magazines.Pretty much what I did as well. I'm satisfied it will "go boom" and hit my target if I had to use it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-Tech 8 Posted February 3, 2015 Ok, just checking. I shot a box or 2 to make sure the POA/POI is correct & that my gun shoots it fine and since I have just left it in the magazines.I haven't seen any ammo change in POA/POI with SD/HD ammo within 15yds. What I've seen is difference in consistency and grouping. Inconsistent loads changing the repeatability of shot placement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpyOldRetiree 38 Posted February 16, 2015 How often do you guys shoot your HD/SD ammo? I've made it a habit to finish my range sessions by shooting a full magazine + 1 of the SD ammo I have in stock at the time. I prefer frequent, short range sessions to infrequent, lengthy, exhausting ones. As an old, retired guy I can do that. Usually shoot 100 rounds of my "cream puff" target reloads followed by 1 mag load of HD. This keeps me in touch with how the gun will handle if I ever need to use it in the gravest extreme. It also confirms that the gun can still feed the ammo reliably. I usually buy whatever sgammo.com has for a reasonable price. I view Gold Dots, HST's or Ranger T's as being of equal quality and effectiveness. I have shot Critical Defense in different calibers without problems, but I kinda view them as a novelty item. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boo 6 Posted February 16, 2015 ... Usually shoot 100 rounds of my "cream puff" target reloads followed by 1 mag load of HD. This keeps me in touch with how the gun will handle if I ever need to use it in the gravest extreme. ... For those that don't reload, I think Speer Lawman is good for recreating the higher pressures of HD ammo at a fraction of the price. Though it isn't going to help to confirm reliable feeding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuRrEaLNJ 294 Posted February 16, 2015 I keep federal hxt for my .45 but coukdnt find it in 9, so i currently have speer gold dots in standard pressure. Anything on that best choice for self defense ammo that i dont have the link to on my phone would be acceptable Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted February 19, 2015 I use Critical Duty..... http://www.sgammo.com/product/hornady/50-rd-box-9mm-hornady-critical-duty-le-135-grain-standard-pressure-hollow-point-ammo That's exactly what I use in my Glock 19 for SD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PD2K 115 Posted February 19, 2015 For those that don't reload, I think Speer Lawman is good for recreating the higher pressures of HD ammo at a fraction of the price. Though it isn't going to help to confirm reliable feeding. Agreed. Add S&B, and Fiocchi to the Lawman mix as well - all 3 run hot (have velocity minimum 1200) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVB-AMG 530 Posted March 3, 2015 I am a recent gun owner and have been trying to educate myself on the various wide variety of hand gun ammunition available and the pros and cons of each.I have done a fair amount of research online and have asked a number of staff members of the ranges that I am a member of to determine what they consider to be some of the best 9mm ammunition to use in my semi-automatic handguns, (both hammer and striker styles), for range practice, as well as for personal/home defense, if ever necessary, that I will also occasionally practice with.My attitude is that I am willing to spend more money to get a higher quality ammunition that will be the most consistently dependable to fire as intended, burn cleaner than average to reduce carbon buildup inside my handgun, be more accurate if possible and in the case of the personal/home defense ammo, provide sufficiently adequate “stopping power” of an intruder/bad guy. Also, I want to support American made ammunition manufacturers and their factory workers and believe they are still among the highest quality available, avoiding foreign made ammo and its possibly questionable quality.From all of my inquiries and research so far, I have decided to use and have been very pleased with the results to date:SpeerLawman for training and Gold Dot for personal/home defense, both having long term proven track records for high-performance and consistently reliable ammo production. I like the idea that they use cleaner-burning propellants and more reliable CCI primers and users and reviewers stating that they have not had much, if any problems with these ammo lines.Also, I like the idea of using a training round from the same manufacturer that has a similar velocity and bullet weight to what I would use for my personal/home defense rounds. That way, my practice is more meaningfully realistic and appropriate. So these are the specific ammo lines I am currently using: For general range practice: Speer Lawman – 9mm Luger 124 grain TMJ Ammo - 53651 For personal/home defense: Speer Gold Dot – 9mm +P 124 Grain LE Hollow Point Ammo - 53617(Note: This specific ammo is hard to find and is constantly out-of-stock at most retailers and online sellers, so I buy it when I can find it....) What are your thoughts on this ammunition for these purposes?Also, very recently, I have read the reviews from the 2015 Shot Show in Las Vegas of a recent addition to the retail market for ammunition: PolyCase’s Inceptor line of ammunition.From the PolyCase web site:PolyCase’s Inceptor™ line of ammunition features PolyCase’s patent-pending Cu/P™ bullets, made using the latest in injection molding technology, loaded in traditional high-quality brass.The 9mm 84 Grain RNP™ version of the Cu/P™ bullet is the Round Nose PRECISION, a solid-core injection-molded copper-poly bullet that rivals any competition-level target shooting round.The ARX™ SELF-DEFENSE cartridge is the next-generation of personal protection projectile technology. Using advanced materials and design, the ARX™ is a non-expanding bullet that delivers terminal performance in a completely different way than traditional expanding (hollow-point) bullets.At this point, I am very intrigued and curious to try this new ammo design and have placed an order for both of these to try them out and decide if I agree with the stellar reviews: For general range practice: PolyCase’s Inceptor RPN - 9mm Luger 84 Grain For personal/home defense: PolyCase’s Inceptor ARX SELF-DEFENSE - 9mm Luger 74 Grain Has anyone else tried this new ammunition yet? If so, what do you think?AVB-AMG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites