samtechlan 23 Posted June 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rufio.Weaponworks said: Not sure, one of my friends in CA said it was a few years ago, my guess is 2016 when they went nuts with their AWB. currently in CA you can buy a single shot-drop top AR pistol and convert it to semi auto on your own accord....again not 100% certain this is the law. Even now in 2019 you can still get around some of the oppressive CA laws. Behold CA legal AR pistol: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anactivegrenade 25 Posted June 19, 2019 Anyone looking to post their builds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufio.Weaponworks 57 Posted June 19, 2019 Not sure, one of my friends in CA said it was a few years ago, my guess is 2016 when they went nuts with their AWB. currently in CA you can buy a single shot-drop top AR pistol and convert it to semi auto on your own accord....again not 100% certain this is the law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nondisclosure 55 Posted June 19, 2019 this is what I’m considering building: carbine buffer tube with PDW brace vfg 10.5” barrel p/w 3 prong flash hider. this should get me over the 26” mark and still have a brace... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted June 19, 2019 Im thinking: SBA3 brace BCM VFG 11.5" barrel, Surefire Warcomp 10.7" SLR handguard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufio.Weaponworks 57 Posted June 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, nondisclosure said: this is what I’m considering building: carbine buffer tube with PDW brace vfg 10.5” barrel p/w 3 prong flash hider. this should get me over the 26” mark and still have a brace... The PDW brace doesn’t need a buffer tube, that’s all part of the brace, it does use a standard buffer and spring Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nondisclosure 55 Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Rufio.Weaponworks said: The PDW brace doesn’t need a buffer tube, that’s all part of the brace, it does use a standard buffer and spring I just noticed that. the surefire flash hider will be thrown on... now I wish geissele would do a quick sale! Lol got a Troy and Samson foregrip just laying around to throw on too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted June 19, 2019 13 hours ago, PK90 said: I have plenty is pistols in the shop to measure manana for your answer. Point of Reference: An AR w/10.5" & SBA3 is 26.3" from end of tube to end of A2 FH. It would need to be made permanent. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted June 19, 2019 An max defense PDW brace with 11.5in barrel and pinned A2 flash hider is a hair over 26" at min length. AFAIK that PDW braces utilize the proprietary buffer tube length, springs and buffers. JP even makes a silent spring for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 696 Posted June 19, 2019 Just so that I am clear, since it's not considered an "assault weapon", if it's OAL is 26" or greater, it can have a FH and it doesn't have to be pinned on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted June 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, MartyZ said: Just so that I am clear, since it's not considered an "assault weapon", if it's OAL is 26" or greater, it can have a FH and it doesn't have to be pinned on? Correct, but the measurement must be to the end of the barrel, thereby increasing it's OAL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufio.Weaponworks 57 Posted June 20, 2019 16 hours ago, JackDaWack said: An max defense PDW brace with 11.5in barrel and pinned A2 flash hider is a hair over 26" at min length. AFAIK that PDW braces utilize the proprietary buffer tube length, springs and buffers. JP even makes a silent spring for them. The Maxim PDW brace uses a proprietary buffer system. The SBPDW doesn’t, SB makes maxim’s brace but their own one has a slightly bigger buffer to use a standard buffer/spring to differentiate the 2 products. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everythingisnothing 10 Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/19/2019 at 12:26 PM, PK90 said: Point of Reference: An AR w/10.5" & SBA3 is 26.3" from end of tube to end of A2 FH. It would need to be made permanent. So if I don't want to pin a muzzle device, it sounds like I'll need a 12"+ barrel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e92m3allday 15 Posted June 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, everythingisnothing said: So if I don't want to pin a muzzle device, it sounds like I'll need a 12"+ barrel? An 11.5” should do the trick. You have to measure from end of brace collapsed to end of threads. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 696 Posted June 20, 2019 So the brace can be adjustable also? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everythingisnothing 10 Posted June 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, e92m3allday said: An 11.5” should do the trick. You have to measure from end of brace collapsed to end of threads. Maybe I'm confused, but doesn't a FH add 1.5" to the barrel? So if 10.5" barrel + FH is only 26.3", then an unpinned 11.5 will be just shy of 26 at 25.8? 4 minutes ago, MartyZ said: So the brace can be adjustable also? Yes. Though it's uncertain whether length is measured from the fully extended position or not, so might be worth playing it safe and going from the collapsed position. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samtechlan 23 Posted June 20, 2019 So far the discussion has been about AR type firearms due to the obvious modularity of the platform but I assume this would also work with an MP5 clone, a Scorpion or one of the B&T offerings. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e92m3allday 15 Posted June 20, 2019 51 minutes ago, everythingisnothing said: Maybe I'm confused, but doesn't a FH add 1.5" to the barrel? So if 10.5" barrel + FH is only 26.3", then an unpinned 11.5 will be just shy of 26 at 25.8? The A2 flash hider only adds ~1.2 inches to the 10.5” length. It is 1.75” long, but you’re forgetting that the FH goes on to threads. That’s why standard birdcages don’t make 14.5” barrels the legal 16” length. So an 11.5” would be about 26.1” OAL at the minimum. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted June 21, 2019 23 hours ago, everythingisnothing said: Though it's uncertain whether length is measured from the fully extended position or not, so might be worth playing it safe and going from the collapsed position. Collapsed for NJ as per NJSP letter. On 6/19/2019 at 12:26 PM, PK90 said: Point of Reference: An AR w/10.5" & SBA3 is 26.3" from end of tube to end of A2 FH. It would need to be made permanent. NJ measured with the brace collapsed. That threw a wrench in my plans. Need an 11.5" barrel now. 23 hours ago, e92m3allday said: An 11.5” should do the trick. You have to measure from end of brace collapsed to end of threads. As per the NJSP letter I concur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted June 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said: Collapsed for NJ as per NJSP letter. NJ measured with the brace collapsed. That threw a wrench in my plans. Need an 11.5" barrel now. As per the NJSP letter I concur. I'm trying to clear this up, but it doesn't matter how NJ measures it. 26" is a federal issue to by pass the NFA. NJ doesn't have any laws in regards to it being over 26"s Worry about what the ATF would do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted June 22, 2019 6 hours ago, JackDaWack said: I'm trying to clear this up, but it doesn't matter how NJ measures it. 26" is a federal issue to by pass the NFA. NJ doesn't have any laws in regards to it being over 26"s Worry about what the ATF would do. I'm worried about the NJ prosecutor, not the ATF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ChrisJM981 said: I'm worried about the NJ prosecutor, not the ATF. What are you worried about them charging you with? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bowling Ball 22 Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, JackDaWack said: What are you worried about them charging you with? They'll throw every single charge they possibly can, bogus or not, just to make the evening news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted June 22, 2019 8 hours ago, JackDaWack said: What are you worried about them charging you with? Brian Aitken got 7 years for transporting a legally purchased handgun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Aitken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted June 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, ChrisJM981 said: Brian Aitken got 7 years for transporting a legally purchased handgun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Aitken He was driving around with it outside the exemptions, and possessed LCMs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted June 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Bowling Ball said: They'll throw every single charge they possibly can, bogus or not, just to make the evening news. So then why even attempt a non nfa firearm if youre concerned? I for one will not be afraid of laws that do not exist, or people enforcing laws they have no jurisdiction over. 1 hour ago, ChrisJM981 said: Brian Aitken got 7 years for transporting a legally purchased handgun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Aitken Well, Brian Aitken didn't do himself any favors when he a)openly broke the law and b) found himself trying to argue exemptions to hand gun transportation laws. (Which those convictions were over turned) But again, if this is your fear..then why bother? Do you transport handguns in your car? NJSP don't have a 26" standard to uphold.. so if you are over or under they could still do what ever you think they would do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted June 22, 2019 4 hours ago, ChrisJM981 said: Brian Aitken got 7 years for transporting a legally purchased handgun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Aitken No, that’s not what he was convicted of. He was convicted of illegal possession of hollow point bullets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted June 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: No, that’s not what he was convicted of. He was convicted of illegal possession of hollow point bullets. He was convinced of that, along with illegal magazines and hollow points. The handgun transport convictions were over turned.. while the rest were not. The jury was instructed to ignore parts of the law by a judge.. it was a fiasco... But if we're going to use this example as a reason to be cautious.. then don't bring your guns out of your house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nondisclosure 55 Posted June 23, 2019 Page2 is it legal to construct. NJSP: yes. NJSP/AG\Gov on the letter head. I can’t actually believe I missed this statement in the letter due to pure excitement. notice it did not specifically say. Manufacter only 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted June 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, nondisclosure said: Page2 is it legal to construct. NJSP: yes. NJSP/AG\Gov on the letter head. I can’t actually believe I missed this statement in the letter due to pure excitement. notice it did not specifically say. Manufacter only Can you qoute the text? And remember this is a response directly to a manufacturer/s. I tried looking but didn't find what you are referring to. Therw are 2 documents in the links. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites