silverado427 10,730 Posted March 26 Container ship hits bridge in Baltimore https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-bridge-partially-collapses-collusion-075148049.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted March 26 Saw that when I woke up this morning - crazy. Gotta wonder if it's going to cause any copycat style attacks now... sigh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 26 27 minutes ago, Krdshrk said: Saw that when I woke up this morning - crazy. Gotta wonder if it's going to cause any copycat style attacks now... sigh. the big question is.......was it really an accident? yea i asked the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,434 Posted March 26 More info and video of the strike Calling it a “hit” is an understatement. Bridge is gone. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted March 26 As of 8:40 this morning, the report is that the ship lost propulsion. If you watch the time lapse video where motion is exaggerated, the ship appears to really be drifting when it hits the pier. I really don't think this has anything to do with an 'attack'. The national and global effect will be the closure of the Baltimore Harbor. I'm not sure if there's another route in or out that can pass ships that size. Lots of cruise ships go in and out of there as well. The interruption of all that cargo traffic won't help price increases either. Anyone got a cruise planned? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted March 26 10 minutes ago, 45Doll said: Anyone got a cruise planned? Nope, but I'm planning to drive down to Wash D.C. suburbs to visit family Thursday night, and I normally drive 95 through Baltimore. Going to be planning an alternate route I guess. Saw the video early this morning, that was crazy - all the poor people on that bridge. I read some online rumors that the construction workers on the bridge saw the ship coming and moved their vehicles to block more traffic from coming on the bridge. If so, that's heroic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: Nope, but I'm planning to drive down to Wash D.C. suburbs to visit family Thursday night, and I normally drive 95 through Baltimore. I just saw a map of the area, and that bridge is on 695 that swings southeast before Baltimore. 95 appears to go straight through. If I remember correctly, depending on where they're heading some drivers take 695 to avoid the direct route through Baltimore. I suppose that regardless, traffic will be a mess down there for a while with all the confusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,265 Posted March 26 If any luck from this, it happened at 2:00 Am, not during rush hour, where lots more cars and trucks would have been crossing, could have been a lot worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,750 Posted March 26 I’ve been over that bridge dozens of times. Wow, scary. I don’t think this is terror related, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted March 26 More videos from different angles and a couple radio transmissions. The ship put out a Mayday that it lost power, and you can see the ship black out and relight several times prior to the crash. Also, a huge plume of smoke erupts just before it hits, possibly due to an emergency engine restart. There's also some comments on the shipping effects. Port Of Baltimore Paralyzed After Container Ship Strike Collapses Bridge | ZeroHedgevv 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ESB 247 Posted March 26 3 hours ago, 45Doll said: As of 8:40 this morning, the report is that the ship lost propulsion. If you watch the time lapse video where motion is exaggerated, the ship appears to really be drifting when it hits the pier. I really don't think this has anything to do with an 'attack'. The national and global effect will be the closure of the Baltimore Harbor. I'm not sure if there's another route in or out that can pass ships that size. Lots of cruise ships go in and out of there as well. The interruption of all that cargo traffic won't help price increases either. Anyone got a cruise planned? I saw a video where the ship lost power twice (lights shut off). Guessing this is the cause of loss of control. You can see they gave it a bunch of power (lots of black smoke) right before impact, guessing to try to correct course but too late. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted March 26 Reading that the ship crew put out a Mayday in time for"authorities" to get traffic stopped on the bridge. Fortuitous! Quote Radio traffic in the moments before a cargo ship collided with the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore captures how authorities stopped traffic and worked to clear the bridge before the impact. Officials warned of the ship approaching the bridge, according to a Broadcastify recording of the transmissions. "I need one of you guys on the south side, one of you guys on the north side, hold all traffic on the Key Bridge. There's a ship approaching that just lost their steering (unintelligible) under control, we've got to stop all traffic," the person said. In the audio, units reported that the bridge had collapsed about 90 seconds later. CNN has confirmed that the bridge collapsed at 1:27 a.m. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,750 Posted March 26 Thankfully this didn’t happen during morning rush hour. This just goes to show that there are an incredible number of things that can go wrong, at the wrong time, when it is least expected. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted March 26 I think it unlikely that this was a terrorist attack. Regardless, is it totally impossible? No. What's more difficult? Hijacking four airliners and flying them into U.S. properties, or disabling a container ship's engine at a critical moment? The captain is Ukranian. A "Black Swan Event" - General Flynn Raises Questions About Baltimore Bridge Collapse | ZeroHedge There should have been a port pilot on board working the navigation. I'll wait to hear what he/she has to say. And that we do hear from the pilot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted March 28 On 3/26/2024 at 4:47 PM, 45Doll said: I think it unlikely that this was a terrorist attack. Regardless, is it totally impossible? No. What's more difficult? Hijacking four airliners and flying them into U.S. properties, or disabling a container ship's engine at a critical moment? The captain is Ukranian. A "Black Swan Event" - General Flynn Raises Questions About Baltimore Bridge Collapse | ZeroHedge There should have been a port pilot on board working the navigation. I'll wait to hear what he/she has to say. And that we do hear from the pilot. Reports that I've heard were that there was a harbor pilot onboard. Unconfirmed though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,750 Posted March 28 I am hearing dirty bunker fuel caused this. Reportedly, the ship took on bunkers prior to leaving port. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,750 Posted March 28 29 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: Reports that I've heard were that there was a harbor pilot onboard. Unconfirmed though. Yes a pilot was on board, as is required. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 28 so here's my deal. even though i asked the question earlier, i really want to believe this was an accident. my problem is that the more i watch the video, the more it looks like it was gonna miss the pylon right up till it hooked a hard right turn. so......are the currents really that strong that they coulda done that? or is it an optical illusion due to the camera angle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,750 Posted March 28 I understand the tide was going out at the time of the accident. Tide/currents/wind plays a big role against big ships 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted March 28 12 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: so here's my deal. even though i asked the question earlier, i really want to believe this was an accident. my problem is that the more i watch the video, the more it looks like it was gonna miss the pylon right up till it hooked a hard right turn. so......are the currents really that strong that they coulda done that? or is it an optical illusion due to the camera angle? I don't know anything about Baltimore Harbor; but yes; currents really can be that strong. A big cargo ship like that isn't very maneuverable. Most of the shipboard systems and controls are electric. If the lights go out, they have big, big trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dilbert1967 146 Posted March 28 On 3/26/2024 at 4:47 PM, 45Doll said: I think it unlikely that this was a terrorist attack. Regardless, is it totally impossible? No. What's more difficult? Hijacking four airliners and flying them into U.S. properties, or disabling a container ship's engine at a critical moment? The captain is Ukranian. A "Black Swan Event" - General Flynn Raises Questions About Baltimore Bridge Collapse | ZeroHedge There should have been a port pilot on board working the navigation. I'll wait to hear what he/she has to say. And that we do hear from the pilot. It's been reported now that there were two harbor pilots on board and 21 crewmen. The article mentions that there were no cars on the bridge when it collapsed. Actually, divers found two people trapped in their car. They were recovered Tuesday afternoon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted March 28 I've watched a lot of "Mighty Ships" series on TV, as well as cruise ship series. It seems prevalent for large ships to have GPS tracking, and possibly guidance. So the path of this ship should be on record somewhere. And one critical fact would be whether or not as the ship approached the bridge it followed the correct path in the harbor channel. The conspiracy aspect would ask was one of the electronic guidance/navigation systems hacked to put it on a collision course? I'm not anxious to find a terrorist attack. But if you'd asked me on September 10, 2001 what were the odds of four hijacked aircraft being successfully flown by amateurs into three iconic American structures... I will say there's not a doubt in my mind there are nasty people that crossed the border to cause trouble. I just can't be certain how, and how much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted March 28 That bridge collapse looked scarier than many CGI versions I have seen in disaster movies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 29 8 hours ago, W2MC said: I don't know anything about Baltimore Harbor; but yes; currents really can be that strong. A big cargo ship like that isn't very maneuverable. Most of the shipboard systems and controls are electric. If the lights go out, they have big, big trouble. if it wasn't deliberatley turned, it had to be currents. watch the video again and look at the smoke coming from the boat. looks like mostly calm winds judging by that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 29 3 hours ago, dilbert1967 said: It's been reported now that there were two harbor pilots on board and 21 crewmen. The article mentions that there were no cars on the bridge when it collapsed. Actually, divers found two people trapped in their car. They were recovered Tuesday afternoon. watch this video. there were at least 4 stationary construction vehicles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 29 ff to approx 1:20. sped up this looks like a controlled turn. hopefully it wasn't....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted March 29 I saw Lara's interview on Bannon's War Room, and that gave me pause for thought. Her conjecture depends primarily on the veracity of her sources. Regardless, if it's not applicable in any way to this ship disaster, the methods described seem valid to me. And worthy of consideration for the future. As I said before, IMO something is coming. Death by a thousand cuts? Lara Logan Provides Comprehensive Baltimore Update: Experts in Behavioral Analytics, Counter-Terrorism, and National Security Analyze Recent Incident | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites