Container ship hits bridge

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34 minutes ago, 45Doll said:

I saw Lara's interview on Bannon's War Room, and that gave me pause for thought. Her conjecture depends primarily on the veracity of her sources. Regardless, if it's not applicable in any way to this ship disaster, the methods described seem valid to me. And worthy of consideration for the future. As I said before, IMO something is coming. Death by a thousand cuts?

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I very seriously doubt this has anything to do with terrorism. 
 

1) Harbor pilots are VERY seriously vetted, and highly trained. Not to mention extremely well paid. My experience knowing a few of them, and knowing how they are recruited and screened tells me that there is a slim to highly unlikely chance that a harbor pilot would have participated in anything like that. 
 

2) Maintenance of foreign flag ships is well known to be dubious. Especially these days. These were NOT US flag, Jones act sailors. It was (to my understanding) a largely Indian crew on that ship, with a Ukrainian Captain. Indian crews are not exactly known for being stellar. 
 

3) The bunkers (fuel) these ships use is ‘Bunker C’, which is a heavy, dirty fuel oil that can, and usually is, pretty contaminated. This stuff ain’t your car grade gasoline or diesel fuel. It’s nasty. 
 It requires nearly constant filter changes and maintenance to the engine/generators. The ship took on fuel prior to departing port, which would stir up all kinds of shit in the fuel tanks, which would contribute to particulates in the fuel lines/filters. 

 

4) I’d say the posting of the chief engineer for Maserek above was pretty spot on as far as chain of events. 

 

This was a shitty accident, with horrible timing and outcome. Not a terror attack. 

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For all you guys that know ships, I heard that it takes only a crew of 22 to run a ship that size, is that normal? I would have guessed a lot more.

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Fairly normal. There is a high degree of automation on these ships, including engine room and bridge. 
 

Good for when a ship is on a long transit, bad when you have a causality, and things go to shit quickly. 

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I did a service job on a ship like this and nothing happens quickly when they are underway. They are limited in their ability to maneuver on a good day. Don't get with 1/2 mile of one in Raritan Bay if you can help it. 

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16 minutes ago, rifleman said:

I did a service job on a ship like this and nothing happens quickly when they are underway. They are limited in their ability to maneuver on a good day. Don't get with 1/2 mile of one in Raritan Bay if you can help it. 

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, I used to work on the Mississippi River towboats, all the way from a deckhand to a pilot. 
A boat with a good sized tow was tough to maneuver, you had to plan well ahead for maneuvering. 
Stopping….that was another matter. 
 

Those big container ships make a towboat look easy. 
They sure as hell don’t stop, or turn, on a dime. Even with bow/stern thrusters. 

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1 hour ago, Displaced Texan said:

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, I used to work on the Mississippi River towboats

Golly, Tex Finn here. 

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On 3/29/2024 at 8:56 PM, voyager9 said:

Golly, Tex Finn here. 

Hey, it was a great experience, and as a bonus, I learned how to make REAL gumbo, etoufee, and jambalaya! 

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Copycat?

https://apnews.com/article/barge-bridge-b5b23e261d82624a4c77334a16af139f

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51 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said:

I learned how to make REAL gumbo, etoufee, and jambalaya! 

With extra pineapple?

22 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

Copycat?

https://apnews.com/article/barge-bridge-b5b23e261d82624a4c77334a16af139f

More likely the media hyping the hot topic.  They did the same thing with railroad accidents after Palestine.  

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4 minutes ago, voyager9 said:

With extra pineapple?

You sir, should be beaten with a length of fire hose. 

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On 3/31/2024 at 10:28 AM, Displaced Texan said:

You sir, should be beaten with a length of fire hose. 

No pork roll for him!

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On 3/31/2024 at 10:02 AM, Krdshrk said:

Copycat?

https://apnews.com/article/barge-bridge-b5b23e261d82624a4c77334a16af139f

either that or these hits happen more often than we realized....and now that a boat kilt a bridge we're gonna see a whole bunch of these......

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On 3/31/2024 at 10:28 AM, Displaced Texan said:

You sir, should be beaten with a length of fire hose. 

If anyone knows beating with 3”, it’s you.  

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13 minutes ago, voyager9 said:

If anyone knows beating with 3”, it’s you.  

You never complained! 

26 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

either that or these hits happen more often than we realized....and now that a boat kilt a bridge we're gonna see a whole bunch of these......

It’s not uncommon. The current and wind can get ahold of a tow before you know what happened. 

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On 3/31/2024 at 10:23 AM, voyager9 said:

With extra pineapple?

More likely the media hyping the hot topic.  They did the same thing with railroad accidents after Palestine.  

There was also an MSM story played up a couple days after the bridge hit trying to make a big deal of a claim that the operator had been investigated a while back for retaliating against a whistleblower on a different ship, who had allegedly reported some safety concerns, among other things. Then I dug a little deeper to find that the operator was Maersk. How many thousands of ship routes do they run annually? At their volume it would be amazing to me to find that there had never been any complaints filed.

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