lexcruiser 14 Posted July 14, 2010 What I want to know is, what kind of bass-ackwards logic did they use to come up with this list?? Pay special attention to the Sig Mosquito and Walther P22 being singled out as "unsafe." HUH?? What makes them any less safe than other firearms, or more specifically, other 22LR handguns like the Ruger??? :?: :?: :?: Here - https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal ... -final.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirsloop 1 Posted July 14, 2010 makes little sense... you see some small pistols like the p22 listed, then you also see "large frame only" models listed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matty 810 Posted July 14, 2010 Probably asked the same geniuses that came up with the NJ banned list :roll: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgemc 18 Posted July 14, 2010 Daisy, are they talking BB gun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,878 Posted July 14, 2010 P22 is unsafe? how?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted July 14, 2010 All Hi-point? I think this is a list of cheap guns, not unsafe guns. Hi-points are cheap and ugly, but certainly not unsafe. The goal is of course to push the cost of guns up so as to discourage as many people as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirsloop 1 Posted July 14, 2010 I didn't see Taurus on that list... CHEAP 92's FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirsloop 1 Posted July 14, 2010 wtf is "You Bet" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfy 51 Posted July 14, 2010 Marlin is on the list??? :?: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bulpup 98 Posted July 14, 2010 wtf is "You Bet" or "Tramp's Terror" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted July 14, 2010 From the list, it seems to me that a case could be made for discrimination based on cost. You are depriving the very people that need to defend themselves the most, the ability to do so by listing all inexpensive firearms on the banned list. Hi-Point leaps out at me as a prime example. While the "poor" is not a protected class, this is one instance where playing the race card would be worthwhile. I have a feeling the Mosquito & P22 are on the list because whoever made up the list may only be aware of the threaded barrel versions of these guns. Unbeknownst to them that they are available in standard barrels, or that there are several Sig CF handguns that are available with threaded barrels. Just grab some popcorn and a soda and pull-up a chair, this is going to get interesting. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirsloop 1 Posted July 14, 2010 the pissing match certainly is entertaining.... at least it appears we have the courts on our side this time around... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jermz1987 243 Posted July 14, 2010 Only one smiley can describe the emotion I am feeling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,878 Posted July 14, 2010 Only one smiley can describe the emotion I am feeling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclenunzie 3 Posted July 14, 2010 This list needs to be fought for sure, on the basis (at least) that no objective criteria has been supplied which disqualifies products as unsafe. While there may be plenty unsafe guns on the list, there are also quality manufacturers listed (Marlin, etc). And the important point of price level as discriminatory regulation (like poll tax) could be reviewed by price analysis across the manufacturing spectrum, comparison of safety records/features of like guns from different manufacturers. OTOH, Charter Arms, Kel-Tec, Ruger, Taurus, S&W (spur trigger only, whatever that is) are not listed. These makers make some very good arms and not expensive new except for S&W whose used revolvers would be excellent. This list will be more fodder for lawsuits, for sure. As a side note of interest, I find the list interesting in itself just because I had NO IDEA there were so many makers. Googling them will be fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malsua 1,422 Posted July 14, 2010 So this is the facepalm thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e80hydro 120 Posted July 14, 2010 I see they have acme, and acme arms listed. I recently picked up these items from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
average joe 5 Posted July 14, 2010 I see Brooklyn Arms is on the list. I have a Brooklyn Arms revolver, that is over 150 years old, I wouldn't shoot it because it so old, I guess that's why they determined its unsafe, I would agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z71 4 Posted July 15, 2010 From the list, it seems to me that a case could be made for discrimination based on cost. You are depriving the very people that need to defend themselves the most, the ability to do so by listing all inexpensive firearms on the banned list. Hi-Point leaps out at me as a prime example. While the "poor" is not a protected class, this is one instance where playing the race card would be worthwhile. Adios, Pizza Bob i'd bet anything your right..I'm sure they had a sit down and said 'if I were poor what could I buy"...the birth of a list..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted July 15, 2010 So I guess Ed Brown's, Wilson Combat or Nighthawk custom 1911's aren't banned. But they cost well over 2000 so only the poor will be hurt. This list is rediculous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbk 188 Posted July 15, 2010 I don't understand why ACLU or some advocacy group won't pick this up for discrimination. The list is obviously targeting a lower income bracket, and, beyond the whole gun issue, is purely discrimination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob B 103 Posted July 15, 2010 I think this is fantastic. This will certainly be litigated and it will force any rule created by the courts to err on the side of preventing government abuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted July 15, 2010 IMO this is CLEARLY going way beyond "reasonable" restrictions. If they are trying to define the line, then I think they are about to get their Pee Pee slapped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BRaptor 68 Posted July 16, 2010 arbitrary and capricious . . . . . . . . . . . . I see nothing that bars someone from making their own revolver/semi-auto. Am I missing some federal statute? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites