Fights break out at Carson Beach Up to 1,000 youths reported involved; police say brawls moved elsewhere

[I saw nothing 3]

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Fights broke out among rival gang members on Carson Beach in South Boston yesterday and spilled out across the city, triggering a massive law enforcement response from at least five agencies to stem the violence.

 

 

I am sorry... but at some point I will HAVE to carry WHEN this BS gets closer to our area... which it will!

[Jon 264]

No good... no good at all.

[Motofan 10]

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Fights broke out among rival gang members on Carson Beach in South Boston yesterday and spilled out across the city, triggering a massive law enforcement response from at least five agencies to stem the violence.

 

 

I am sorry... but at some point I will HAVE to carry WHEN this BS gets closer to our area... which it will!

 

1000 unruly youts. Your gonna need a lot of 15 round magazines.

[BlackOps Badger 52]

1000 unruly youts. Your gonna need a lot of 15 round magazines.

 

Just use AP ammo. It'll go through a bunch of them. lol

[vjf915 456]

Time to clean the streets....

 

In all honesty, does anybody here think that these people will EVER turn out to be someone who is a positive influence on society? We would all be a hell of a lot better without people like this. Read between the lines.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

They should put up fences at the end of the streets and just herd them in, cage em up, and let the sun beat on them for a couple hours.

[Old School 611]

What a crock of "Politically Correct" $hit!

[MrP 81]

I'm really tired of threads being started mentioning a crime/riot/civil disorder with the subject line "at what point to we carry?!". Obviously you carry when you have a permit. If the situation is dire enough, you won't have to ask if you should be carrying, nor should you be outside of your barricaded basement anyway. The brawl obviously didn't turn in to some sort of mass home invasion/murder/rape/pillaging crime spree etc, so while it's important to understand what happens around us, there have been worse riots and lesser ones that didn't result in any sort of martial law, anarchy, or TEOTWAWKI. This BS isn't getting closer to anyone's area, no one is marching with spears or tec-9's in a doomsday fashion. Crime levels fluctuate, and the location of crimes being committed changes with time.

 

/endrant

[redwings9 5]

All that and only TWO arrests............ Wonderful, call in an air strike.

[raz-0 1,259]

I blame the moonenites.

[Malsua 1,422]

I'm really tired of threads being started mentioning a crime/riot/civil disorder with the subject line "at what point to we carry?!". Obviously you carry when you have a permit. If the situation is dire enough, you won't have to ask if you should be carrying, nor should you be outside of your barricaded basement anyway. The brawl obviously didn't turn in to some sort of mass home invasion/murder/rape/pillaging crime spree etc, so while it's important to understand what happens around us, there have been worse riots and lesser ones that didn't result in any sort of martial law, anarchy, or TEOTWAWKI. This BS isn't getting closer to anyone's area, no one is marching with spears or tec-9's in a doomsday fashion. Crime levels fluctuate, and the location of crimes being committed changes with time.

 

/endrant

 

I agree with you to a point.

 

What do you do if these types of events start happening every day or every other day or once a week at random? You can't seal up your home. At some point, you have to go out.

 

This event clearly didn't rise to the level necessary to carry. What would? What if you aren't home and are trapped outside of your home. It happens once, twice, three, ten times, at what point does the lack of law enforcement rise to a high enough level? Society may not have collapsed completely and yet you may need to carry for your own personal safety. I would think in a complete collapse, you'll know but in the grey twilight between here and there, where do you make the call?

[I saw nothing 3]

I'm really tired of threads being started mentioning a crime/riot/civil disorder with the subject line "at what point to we carry?!". Obviously you carry when you have a permit. If the situation is dire enough, you won't have to ask if you should be carrying, nor should you be outside of your barricaded basement anyway. The brawl obviously didn't turn in to some sort of mass home invasion/murder/rape/pillaging crime spree etc, so while it's important to understand what happens around us, there have been worse riots and lesser ones that didn't result in any sort of martial law, anarchy, or TEOTWAWKI. This BS isn't getting closer to anyone's area, no one is marching with spears or tec-9's in a doomsday fashion. Crime levels fluctuate, and the location of crimes being committed changes with time.

 

/endrant

 

I ain't going to sit here and argue with you but I want to ask you a few questions:

 

-Do you think our society is getting better?

-Do you think in NJ you have the advantage over the criminals?

-Once again, Do you think our society is getting better?

 

Several years back I would see clips here and there of some out of control people, but now I am actually seeing this every once in a while in MY DAILY LIFE. Not on video, not on TV, but in my travels.

 

I don't understand for the life of me the attitude of people that all is well, nothing to be afraid of...stop being so worried. You know what, I am one of those people that enjoys life, goes out with my family and simply wants peace. But to tell people to STFU for saying "hey... wake up and be prepared...just letting you know" I am fed up with it. Complacency is running ramped!

 

Was Paul Revere a "fear mongering" moron? Suit yourself, sit back... have a beer as you watch this great nation slip away before our eyes. I think at this point in time people are either awake or will never wake up. Since when is Freedom and the USA exempt from "falling"? Sorry for giving a "heads up"... since when is that a bad thing communicating and being prepared.

 

Oh, btw... nothing to be worried about. Incandescent light bulbs will be illegal come Jan 2012 and could include a $10,000 fine and imprisonment if sold. That would NEVER happen in the USA silly... stop spreading fear! But no worries, our freedom is not in jeopardy and things are fine.

[bbk 188]

I agree with MrP for the most part.

I also do agree that there is a growing issue, and it must be addressed or this nation (and the global landscape) will see a shift-- or struggle at worse. The growing ranks of unemployed youth (both educated and non-educated) does usually result in social disruption. Its not a recent development, or even one subscribed to countries like the US. It can be seen virtually anywhere, whether we're talking about an economically strong (for what its worth) country like the USA, or places in East Africa (Somalia), Pakistan... and other parts of the Pacific and Orient (as well as western and eastern Europe, etc).

Along with the rise of the unemployment of youth, the different facets pertaining to education doesn't help. The educational standards of the public realm have slipped (when compared to the global scene), higher education is not nearly as valuable (though this can change quickly)-- and higher education, for that matter, is becoming increasingly more difficult to attain because of financial constraints (the ballooning cost of tuition of example). There are other factors that attribute and contribute to this, but I do believe that there must be some type of educational reform or this nation is in trouble.

 

The number I do find the most interesting though is the apparent decrease in the number of children being born from the "millenial" generation.

 

I do share the fears of others, but I don't think we're on the cusp of some breaking point. There is still plenty that can be salvaged, but only if the so-called leaders of this country would stop effing around.

[MrP 81]

I ain't going to sit here and argue with you but I want to ask you a few questions:

 

Alright.

 

-Do you think our society is getting better?

Do I think our society is getting better? That's an incomprehensibly broad question, I'm not sure what answer you're looking for here.

 

-Do you think in NJ you have the advantage over the criminals?

 

Do I think I have the advantage over NJ criminals? Of course not. In any state/country the criminals have an advantage over you because by definition they're criminals. They don't have to follow laws/moral guidelines as I do. That seems obvious. Would I be at even more of a disadvantage if I carried illegally, was arrested and lost my right to own firearms right before TS actually did HTF? Probably.

 

-Once again, Do you think our society is getting better?

 

For the life of me I can't understand why you want me to answer the same question two times, so I won't try to.

 

Several years back I would see clips here and there of some out of control people, but now I am actually seeing this every once in a while in MY DAILY LIFE. Not on video, not on TV, but in my travels.

 

You see more clips of violent things on the news because it sells better. There's no news like bad news. Overall crime in the US is on a DECLINE so I would venture a guess that in your travels you walk in some rougher places than the average town.

 

I don't understand for the life of me the attitude of people that all is well, nothing to be afraid of...stop being so worried. You know what, I am one of those people that enjoys life, goes out with my family and simply wants peace.

 

I don't have an all is well attitude, as I thought I stated fairly succinctly in my earlier post. It's important to be aware of our surroundings, as well as important to avoid seeing something that isn't there. I also enjoy going out with my family and want them to be safe. If you care about yours don't you owe it to them not to place them in harm's way? It's nice to walk in Newark at 2:00am with your family and say "Well I should be able to walk down the street without fearing for my life", and while you would be correct it isn't realistic.

 

But to tell people to STFU for saying "hey... wake up and be prepared...just letting you know" I am fed up with it. Complacency is running ramped!

 

I hope we figure out who told you to STFU because that's really innapropriate behavior for the forum. There's no need to alienate people from an already small group.

 

Since when is Freedom and the USA exempt from "falling"? Sorry for giving a "heads up"... since when is that a bad thing communicating and being prepared.

 

You weren't communicating nor talking of being prepared, you were looking for someone else to jump on the panic bandwagon and tell you that you were right for wanting to carry illegally. As absurd and unconstitutional as NJ CCW laws are, they are still laws.

 

Was Paul Revere a "fear mongering" moron? Suit yourself, sit back... have a beer as you watch this great nation slip away before our eyes. I think at this point in time people are either awake or will never wake up

 

Paul Revere differed from you in the sense that a foreign army was invading his country and he was warning people of imminent danger. If you were near the brawl and the group suddenly decided to stop fighting and attack the local townsfolk, and you ran through the streets to let the local militia know what route they were taking, you would have much more in common with Mr. Revere.

 

You weren't communicating nor talking of being prepared, you were looking for someone else to jump on the panic bandwagon and tell you that you were right for wanting to carry illegally. As absurd and unconstitutional as NJ CCW laws are, they are still laws.

 

Oh, btw... nothing to be worried about. Incandescent light bulbs will be illegal come Jan 2012 and could include a $10,000 fine and imprisonment if sold. That would NEVER happen in the USA silly... stop spreading fear! But no worries, our freedom is not in jeopardy and things are fine.

 

The light-bulb reference fails to fill me with an apocalyptic sense of dread. Something closer to frustration and bewilderment.

 

I'm sorry if you found my earlier post offensive, I was frustrated with the abundance of certain types of posts that in my opinion have little value with regards to improving the NJGF community.

[I saw nothing 3]

Mr P,

 

Thanks for answering honestly and please forgive my post if was harsh. You are correct, we do need to stand together. Once again, my apologies...

[MrP 81]

Mr P,

 

Thanks for answering honestly and please forgive my post if was harsh. You are correct, we do need to stand together. Once again, my apologies...

 

Glad we figured this out, take care brother.