Holster Type Restrictions Within Competitions

[alec.mc 180]

Quick question regarding a holster I may be interested in and competition use,

 

 

Looking at the " Blade Tech Speed Rig Comp. D/OS " Holster w/tek lock

 

seen here:

 

http://www.dawsonpre...0F8C-1303934049

 

 

mostly shooting steel events at the moment, but I dont want to make the ( rather pricey ) investment with the belt setup and find out down the road that I will not be able to use this setup with IDPA / USPSA / ETC ETC

 

So, any gun games restrict this type of holster?

 

 

 

edit: same question for these mag holders... any problems since they have a " comp " cut out on the side?

 

http://www.dawsonpre...0F8F-1303934405

 

as well as belt, Im seeing something like uspsa you cant have a inner/outer belt setup, such as:

http://www.dawsonpre...1209-1317832957

 

If no good, could somebody recommend a setup that would be good for the majority of shooting sports ( uspsa / steel / idpa / etc )

 

 

thanks in advance

[henrym 19]

Im not positive, but I think this puts you into USPSA Limited

[tommy3rd 132]

there's a whole section on allowed holsters in the uspsa rule book. If you will be shooting production, i don't think that's allowed because that might fall under the "race gun" type holster.

here's the production division holster requirements:

 

•Suitable for everyday use. “Race gun” type holster prohibited.

•May not be manufactured or cut lower than, and must cover the slide up to, 1⁄2” below the ejection port (belt slide “Yaqui” type holster exempt).

•Revolver holsters open no lower than halfway down the cylinder.

[MedicYeti 96]

This holster is restricted for IDPA use. There is also a section on holsters in the IDPA rule book, available as a free download on www.IDPA.com.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

Alec, I run a similar type for USPSA and Steel as you know, I shoot Limited so it's not a problem, if you want try it and my CZ the next time we are at the range just ask. It's nice, and I did notice the difference in draw withe the holster I use for the CZ 85B Combat. Not much difference, but just enough, plus yesterday was the first time using it and the gun so there will be a little learning curve.

 

I do think it will be fine with the OS removed for IDPA but let the IDPA folks chime in on that.

[Krdshrk 3,878]

From the IDPA Rulebook:

2. Criteria of an IDPA Approved Holster

Holsters:

A. Must be designed for concealed carry and suitable for all

day continuous wear.

B. Must be worn on a standard belt of no more than 1 ¾” width

that must pass through the belt loops on the shooter’s pants.

C. Must fully cover the trigger of the firearm.

D. Must carry the firearm in a neutral (vertical) or muzzle rear

cant, but have no adjustable cant backpieces. Holster cant that

is adjustable by removing bolts and repositioning the backpiece

is allowed. Exception: IWB style holsters do not have to meet

this particular criterion.

E. Must hold the firearm with enough tension to allow the

wearer to complete normal daily tasks without fear of losing

the weapon.

F. Can have no offset backpieces and/or belt slots. The holster

 

 

 

may not offset away from the belt and/or body.

 

 

No gap is

 

permitted in the following areas:

1. From the body to the inside of the belt.

2. From the outside of the belt to the inside of the

backpiece and/or backside of the holster.

3. From the outside of the backpiece to the inside of

the holster.

If you look through the belt slot area of the holster with it on

the belt/body, you should not be able to see any daylight. If

you can see through this belt tunnel area, the holster is not

approved.

Holster/backpiece must be constructed of “normal thickness”

common holster making materials, no filler is allowed to hide

an offset. In simple terms, the back of the holster must be held

tightly against the outside of the belt for proper concealed carry

(for questions, refer to #1 above and re-read the “Purpose”

section in the front of this rulebook).¹

G. Must be constructed of normal thickness common holster

making materials (leather, Kydex, plastic, nylon, etc.).

H. May not position the firearm where the breech face (autos)

or rear of the cylinder (revolvers) is below the center of the

belt. NO drop loops are permitted.³ Holsters for females may

position the breech face of a pistol or rear of the cylinder of a

revolver up to 1 ½” below the center of the belt.

NOTE: IWB style holsters are exempt from this criterion.

I. Must hold the firearm positioned on the body so an object of

¾”width cannot pass between the shooter’s body and the inside

of the firearm when the shooter is standing straight and

upright.²

J. Must be positioned on the belt in a location that will keep the

center of the trigger pad behind the centerline

4 of the body.

 

 

NOT Permitted:

 

 

 

A. Cross Draw Holsters.

 

 

B. Shoulder Holsters.

 

C. Small of the Back Holsters.

D. Holsters designed and/or marketed as “competition”

models.

E. Muzzle forward or ‘on the belt’ adjustable cant holsters.

Those that allow the cant to be adjusted by the shooter while

the holster is on the belt are not allowed.

NOTE:

 

Holsters with an adjustable cant via removal of bolts

and repositioning of the backpiece are approved if set for

neutral or muzzle rear cant.

F. Drop loop holsters.³

G. Positioning of the firearm where the breech face (autos) or

the rear of the cylinder (revolvers) is below the center of the

belt.³

H. Cutting of the front edge of the holster more that 1¾” below

the breech face on pistols or 1” below the rear of the cylinder

on revolvers.

I. Offset back-pieces and/or belt slots.³

J. Gap in the following areas:

1. From the body to the inside of the belt.

2. From the outside of the belt to the inside of the

backpiece and/or backside of the holster.

3. From the outside of the back-piece to the inside

of the holster.³

K. Seeing daylight when looking through the belt slot area of

 

 

 

the holster with it on the belt/body.³

 

 

L. Any type of filler to hide an offset.

 

Exception – Police or military officers may use their duty rig, but

ALL retention features of the holster MUST be used and all belt

equipment (mace, handcuffs, etc.) must be present.

[alec.mc 180]

confusing stuff.

 

for the guys that compete in multiple gun sports, do you typically run one belt set up for all ? or have dedicated belts for each?

[hd2000fxdl 422]

confusing stuff.

 

for the guys that compete in multiple gun sports, do you typically run one belt set up for all ? or have dedicated belts for each?

 

I'm running 2 CR speed belt, for USPSA I use my CZ 75 TS with the outer belt as it is supposed to be used, has all my mag holders and everything ready to go, slap it on, holster the gun and mags and I'm ready. For Steel I use just the inner belt and the holster for the CZ 85B combat, note I would use the same outer belt if both gun worked well in 1 holster but they don't for now. I'll probably get a race holster then be able to use the outer for both, and maybe OBRAMS just will have to switch out the mag holders.

 

Looking back at it, I would probably get a CR or AA race holster being they are compatible with a larger range of guns, pricey, but I think it will be worth it for me at least.

[alec.mc 180]

Not opposed to having multiple belts, but im just a little shell shocked with the price of this stuff - I am all for spending money right the first time, but the mag pouches are a killer , at nearly 35 dollars per mag pouch... times 6 mags... whoa.

 

Not trying to rush the process, but i'd like to have something ready for next month or 2, but with blade techs 3-4 week lead time, i dunno

[hd2000fxdl 422]

BT sometimes takes a little longer in my experience if who you are buying it from doesn't have it in stock.

[Ryan626 5]

If you want to be flexible, I would get the Blade Tech IDPA rig. Like the one from the link below.

 

http://www.blade-tec...AK-pr-1093.html

 

This holster will let you compete in IDPA, USPSA Single Stack division or Limited 10 Division (plus 1 more pair of mag holders for USPSA). The holster you posted will not be allowed in Single stack division (not too sure) but will be allowed in Limited 10 only in USPSA.

 

Send Maks an email as he used to shoot single stack previously to verify. I bought the same rig for my CZ for IDPA and USPSA Production division.

 

Hope this helps.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Just got an order from Blade Tech and it took 14 days total. Alec - look at the injection molded double mag pouches from BT. They run $27 and you really only need two (mag in pocket for initial load) unless you are shooting single stack w/8-round mags, then you might want more.

 

I like the Tek-Lok belt connection. Not quite as stable as the stingray, but very easy on & off if you intend to use the same holster for multiple disciplines where you may change the holster from a dedicated comp belt to the one that holds up your pants (as stated - you can use the inner belt only for IDPA).

 

If you go BT, just get the regular "belt holster" with the attachment of your choice (stingray or tek-lok) and you'll be GTG for USPSA and IDPA. Stay away from the dropped/low-cut comp holsters if you are going to compete in several games.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Krdshrk 3,878]

I have a CR Speed belt for USPSA/Steel with a BlackHawk SERPA on a quick detach so it offsets a little. My mag pouches on my speed belt are 5.11 Bladetech dual double-stack mag pouches. I have 2 of them.

 

IDPA I have a SERPA on a paddle attachment. I usually use an Uncle Mike's dual double-stack mag pouch but this last time I pulled one of my bladetechs off of my speed belt because I left my usual one at home.

[alec.mc 180]

Thanks for the suggestions guys, I think i'll go with :

 

 

CR Belt

 

standard belt holster w/ tek lok

http://www.blade-tech.com/product.php?productid=910

 

 

and a few double mag pouch holders

http://www.blade-tech.com/product.php?productid=1072

 

 

 

^^^^^^^^

 

Bob, do you think the double mag pouch holders with tek lok are worth ( double ) the price of the 26 dollar revoloution adjustable belt ones?

 

ones with tek lok: http://www.blade-tech.com/product.php?productid=863 -- worth the price?

[Krdshrk 3,878]

I have the revolution adjustable ones - they work well. The Tek Lok ones you can sit closer together, however. It's really a personal preference thing.

 

Also - if you want just the regular ones, buy 'em from LA Police Gear:

http://www.lapolicegear.com/5tadomagpo.html

[alec.mc 180]

just to confirm, 1911 single stack holders are the same size holder for 45 and 9mm correct?

[Krdshrk 3,878]

Oh - no they're not.....

[Maksim 1,504]

Single stack 1911 mags are the same holders, 9mm, 40, or 45.

 

I have a few if you want... before you order them.

 

actually, pm on route.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Bob, do you think the double mag pouch holders with tek lok are worth ( double ) the price of the 26 dollar revoloution adjustable belt ones?

 

ones with tek lok: http://www.blade-tec...p?productid=863 -- worth the price?

 

They make the revolution ones with Tek Lok for the same money, but I can't find them on their website - TESSA!!! - However, Brownells does have them...

 

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=41583/avs%7CManufacturer_1=BLADE-TECH/psize=24/Product/DOUBLE-MAG-POUCH-W-TEK-LOCK

 

Here's the rub - can't find the holster on Brownell's site. Only the Black Ice, which, from the description, may be cut too low in the front, or non-Tek-Lok holsters. It's a pain to pay two shipping charges. Maybe a call to either vendor will clear things up and give you a single source. Good luck.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[alec.mc 180]

Single stack 1911 mags are the same holders, 9mm, 40, or 45.

 

I have a few if you want... before you order them.

 

actually, pm on route.

 

 

PM me a price / pic / info

 

 

 

Also, got off the phone with blade tech, they are telling me that the standard 26 dollar one: http://www.blade-tec...SR-pr-1072.html will not fit 9mm single stack mags, and that the only one that will work is the injection molded 52 dollar one with tek lok : http://www.blade-tech.com/Double-Magazine-Pouch-w-Tek-Lok-pr-863.html

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Also, got off the phone with blade tech, they are telling me that the standard 26 dollar one: http://www.blade-tec...SR-pr-1072.html will not fit 9mm single stack mags, and that the only one that will work is the injection molded 52 dollar one with tek lok : http://www.blade-tec...Lok-pr-863.html

 

BS...I'm sitting here right now with an injection molded, 1911 single-stack, double mag pouch, with Tel-Lok, with two Wilson 1911, 9mm mags stuck in it. I was going to take a picture, but the battery is dead in my camera.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[alec.mc 180]

So, that cheaper 26$ one should fit 9mm 1911 single stack ? I'm assuming so, if 9/40/45 are the same size.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

I was going to take a picture, but the battery is dead in my camera.

 

 

Got an iPhone??

[hiker88 22]

So, that cheaper 26$ one should fit 9mm 1911 single stack ? I'm assuming so, if 9/40/45 are the same size.

 

Yes.

 

I have a spare set of Uncle Mike's Kydex holster and mag pouches that I can lend you if you want to shoot USPSA in OBRPC. Yeah... I only do matches in the club. I have a very short leash