9supratt4 0 Posted May 31, 2012 Hi Everyone! I am completely new here and new to firearms. I have been reading all the laws over and over as I don't want to break any laws. I have not found anything on my issue though...My uncle has an old 1974 Marlin Glenfield Model 60 long rifle. This rifle was made in '74 with an 18-round tubular magazine. He wants to give the gun to me, but I am concerned that it holds 18-rounds. I can't find anything in any laws about anything about if a gun was manufactured before the 15-round law was enacted (which I'm not sure when it was). Any insight would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,133 Posted May 31, 2012 Unmodified, it's an illegal NJ Assault weapon. To make it jersey-legal, remove the inner magazine tube. Get a small tubing cutter (as used by plumbers) and replace the cutter wheel with a similar sized thin washer. Use the modified tool to score (not cut through) the brass tube to prevent the follower inside the mag tube from going far enough to have the completed assembly (tube inserted in the rifle) accept more than 15 .22LR cartridges. Voila! Jersey-legal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1125 0 Posted May 31, 2012 Read this..... http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003/11/new-jersey-considers-this-to-be.html Numrich Arms did stock a shorter magazine tube for the model 60...........You may get lucky...... 1125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted May 31, 2012 im not sure if nj laws 15 round limit on removable magazines applies to tube magazine on rifles, can someone please clear this up for the op before he ruins a nice rifle!!! please dont do anything to that rifle until one of the experts answers, like pk90, pizza bob and others that really know there stuff.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hd2000fxdl 422 Posted May 31, 2012 The issue is Semi-auto, not tube or mag.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted May 31, 2012 i was thinking this was a lever action? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hd2000fxdl 422 Posted May 31, 2012 I was thinking Semi-auto.. lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenix_iii 0 Posted May 31, 2012 If the law does not specify and it is semi-automatic, then it is up to the interpretation of the judge... if you want to go through that, sure, go ahead. Annoyingly, some of those rifles (old tube fed semi-autos) take 22long and 22shorts, meaning, what if they pop in 16+ shorts in there...? =\ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reed338 11 Posted May 31, 2012 Unmodified, it's an illegal NJ Assault weapon. To make it jersey-legal, remove the inner magazine tube. Get a small tubing cutter (as used by plumbers) and replace the cutter wheel with a similar sized thin washer. Use the modified tool to score (not cut through) the brass tube to prevent the follower inside the mag tube from going far enough to have the completed assembly (tube inserted in the rifle) accept more than 15 .22LR cartridges. Voila! Jersey-legal i will say this works well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted May 31, 2012 Unfortunately, clearly illegal IMHO with the legal definitions. 2C:39-1w: Assault firearm is a " (4) A semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds." and a magazine is: 2c:39-1y: "Large capacity ammunition magazine" means a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm. So, a fixed magazine with more than 15 rounds, and the inclusion of "tube" in the second piece seems to make them pretty much illegal.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,133 Posted May 31, 2012 When the OP looks at the rifle, he will see it is plainly marked ".22LR" As a semi-auto, it will NOT properly feed shorts or longs due to the length of the elevator in the action. So when the tube is crimped to allow for a capacity of 15 .22LR, yes it would hold more .22Long or Shorts, but they are not the ammo specified for that weapon. This is the same weapon that cost Joe Pelletiere his FID and his voting rights. There is NO EXCEPTION in NJ Assault Weapon law for tube-fed rimfire semi-autos. (There is in NY, though) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SavagePump 0 Posted May 31, 2012 http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf I'm no lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. It would appear though that any rifle with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 15 rounds is illegal if it is a semi automatic. sorry dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcbethr 42 Posted May 31, 2012 Welcome to the Forums. Do you have your FID card yet? Have you joined NJ2AS.org ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted May 31, 2012 ok i got it is semi auto, but i have a question if this was a lever action would it still be illegal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigHayden 77 Posted May 31, 2012 Nope. If it was a lever action, it could hold >100 rounds and still would be legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigHayden 77 Posted May 31, 2012 I have not found anything on my issue though...My uncle has an old 1974 Marlin Glenfield Model 60 long rifle. This rifle was made in '74 with an 18-round tubular magazine. He wants to give the gun to me, but I am concerned that it holds 18-rounds. Be aware, if your uncle lives in NJ and did not register this rifle before 1992(?), he is in possession of an illegal assault weapon as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hd2000fxdl 422 Posted May 31, 2012 ok i got it is semi auto, but i have a question if this was a lever action would it still be illegal? LA would be good to go.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcbethr 42 Posted May 31, 2012 Technically, this Mossberg is legal, even with the collapsible stock.... well, the NJ model that does not have the flash suppressor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted May 31, 2012 Technically, this Mossberg is legal, even with the collapsible stock.... well, the NJ model that does not have the flash suppressor. In NJ, it could have an adjustable stock, bayonet lug, flash suppressor and a chainsaw. If it's not semi-automatic, you can add whatever features you want and not have an assault rifle.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishpaw 17 Posted May 31, 2012 Technically, this Mossberg is legal, even with the collapsible stock.... well, the NJ model that does not have the flash suppressor. That gun looks so hideous, it should be illegal. Its an offense to the eyes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9supratt4 0 Posted May 31, 2012 This is what I thought. Not sure how long he has had the rifle, but just for my own knowledge, when was the law enacted for nothing over 15 rounds? I guess I have to cut the tube and make it smaller..... NJ is nuts with laws!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted May 31, 2012 I believe that it was 1993. Our AWB predated the federal one - in fact it served as a model for the the federal AWB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted May 31, 2012 so i gotta ask whats the highest capicty lever actions in 9mm, 40 cal, 45 cal, and 357? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted May 31, 2012 Be aware, if your uncle lives in NJ and did not register this rifle before 1992(?), he is in possession of an illegal assault weapon as well. The only way this rifle could have been registered is if it were made non-operational. The only "assault weapons" that could have been registered operational were the M1A, AR15, and M1 carbine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Turtle 11 Posted May 31, 2012 That gun looks so hideous, it should be illegal. Its an offense to the eyes. Hey I like it lol, to bad no one stocks it around here lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobertJames 14 Posted May 31, 2012 In NJ, it could have an adjustable stock, bayonet lug, flash suppressor and a chainsaw. If it's not semi-automatic, you can add whatever features you want and not have an assault rifle.... I was fondling a Ruger Scout .308 with a flash hider just the other day. I don't believe that it was pinned, either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted May 31, 2012 im not sure if nj laws 15 round limit on removable magazines applies to tube magazine on rifles, can someone please clear this up for the op before he ruins a nice rifle!!! please dont do anything to that rifle until one of the experts answers, like pk90, pizza bob and others that really know there stuff.. NJ DOES in fact Limit Tubular Magazines on .22 Semiautomatic Rifles..at least ONE person HAS ALREADY BEEN PROSECUTED for an Unlawful "Assault Weapon" with that EXACT FIREARM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,133 Posted June 1, 2012 ... I guess I have to cut the tube and make it smaller..... You don't have to cut anything! Re-read post #2 in this thread And welcome to the forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted June 1, 2012 I was fondling a Ruger Scout .308 with a flash hider just the other day. I don't believe that it was pinned, either. Ruger Scout Rifle = bolt action (right?), so no assault weapon rules apply to it. You can add an adjustable stock, bayonet lug, 2 flash hiders and a chainsaw and it will still be legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites