Vlad G 345 Posted December 16, 2013 Someone actually owns one? Somewhat must, or gnomes are sneaking short brass into my .45 brass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted December 16, 2013 how soon until 40 ammo is dirt cheap? this is great news! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted December 16, 2013 Someone actually owns one? Standard issue of PASP. One of my friends has one. Or maybe it's his wife's. I like it! But I like all .45s, and like 1911s better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sof 0 Posted December 16, 2013 Related to this thread is the book "American Gunfight" about the 1950 attempt to asassinate Truman by two Puerto Rican nationalists. There are numerous descriptions and analyses of the Secret Service shooting training and their use of revolvers vs. 9mm handguns and how it almost changed history. Pretty decent read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
average joe 5 Posted December 17, 2013 Love the 9, all of Europe can't be wrong.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted December 17, 2013 Standard issue of PASP. One of my friends has one. Or maybe it's his wife's. I like it! But I like all .45s, and like 1911s better. NYSP went to the GAP, ditching their G17's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbkid6974 1 Posted December 17, 2013 everything is anemic compared to 10mm. a 10mm will be my next gun and hopefully i can find a holster that can conceal it good enough to carry when im out of state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jm1827 284 Posted December 17, 2013 everything is anemic compared to 10mm. a 10mm will be my next gun and hopefully i can find a holster that can conceal it good enough to carry when im out of state. I love the 10 mm, I believe it was intended to be the new gun for the FBI but too many couldn't handle the recoil, hence the development of the 40 S&W. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted December 17, 2013 There are no magic bullets. Also worthy of consideration is if you can feed said 10mm and stay on an effective training schedule? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted December 17, 2013 everything is anemic compared to 10mm. Well, everything below a .41 magnum, anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravity 0 Posted December 17, 2013 The long awaited resurgence of 45GAP? I love .45 gap load it love it shoot it for years !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spartiati 63 Posted December 17, 2013 Anyone care to speculate how this will effect 9mm prices and availability for civilians? I'll take excess inventory in 40 cal bullets for loading 10mm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallday 10 Posted December 17, 2013 Cool more 40 for me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbkid6974 1 Posted December 18, 2013 There are no magic bullets. Also worthy of consideration is if you can feed said 10mm and stay on an effective training schedule? I already have a ton of 10mm brass that came with my reloading presses. And I shoot .40 so having 2 diferent guns that reload with the same bullet seems like a win win for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 18, 2013 With how widely dispersed m4's are in law enforcement the larger caliber rounds may really not be necessary. It's not like the old days where higher powered firearms weren't readily available. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,671 Posted December 18, 2013 That statement is way out if touch with reality regarding LE work Shawn. A rifle in the rack of your squad car does jack and sh!t for you when you are walking up to a MV on a car stop or are in a house investigating a DV or burglary/robbery when something goes awry. Even though the rifle is available it's the gun you have with you at the time the world turns that is going to save your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 18, 2013 That statement is way out if touch with reality regarding LE work Shawn. A rifle in the rack of your squad car does jack and sh!t for you when you are walking up to a MV on a car stop or are in a house investigating a DV or burglary/robbery when something goes awry. Even though the rifle is available it's the gun you have with you at the time the world turns that is going to save your life. If your in a situation where the person is right in front of you a 9mm should be fine. It's about being quick and accurate. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted December 18, 2013 There he is, good ol Shawn out of his lane again....but he did watch an episode of cops once! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted December 18, 2013 With how widely dispersed m4's are in law enforcement the larger caliber rounds may really not be necessary. It's not like the old days where higher powered firearms weren't readily available. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD as always ..your experience in tactics is so helpful. Do you know how little i have my hands on a long gun in a patrol situation. But good effort...not really Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 18, 2013 Didn't say you hold em all the time. But I bet damn near every department in the state has em. Not like in that shoot out video where they had to gun to a gun store. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,671 Posted December 18, 2013 Then you would lose that bet. Also, not everyone in every dept is certified to use the rifles. I have a 30 man dept. 8 guys are qualified on rifles. What are the other 22 supposed to use, harsh language? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 18, 2013 No, a 9mm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 18, 2013 It's more then 99.999% of nj residents get to use so I'm sure you'll get by. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted December 18, 2013 No, a 9mm In case you were wondering, that sound was your point collapsing in on itself... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,671 Posted December 18, 2013 He still doesn't get it.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 18, 2013 Do you wanna get shot by a 9mm? I know I don't. If ones aimed at me I'm not happy and I'm going to comply. It's not like they are taking your sidearm. They are going to a slightly smaller round that's easier to manage and also raises the compacity of your firearm. If your gonna raid a house, or if back up is needed they will have the carbines. But honestly I don't see anything wrong with the sidearm being dropped to a 9mm. The military does fine with 9mm so why not the law enforcement community. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted December 18, 2013 I'm in a 1600 man dept less than half are trained on some sort of long gun. Your logic sucks so please refrain from speaking on things that you have absolutley no idea about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted December 18, 2013 Genius..the point you made about leo having carbines all the time so therefore a smaller round is acceptable fits the military more than leo. Now you say if its good for the military then its good for police. Argument invalid. Back to troll school Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 18, 2013 So only 800 men are? What are you invading bagdhad? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 18, 2013 What I'm saying is when bigger rounds are needed they are accessible. But in a day to day situation the 9mm is fine. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites