HBecwithFn7 296 Posted September 11, 2014 Here is the prosecutor justifying giving Rice PTI.... Atlantic City Press - Prosecutor Explains Decision to grant PTI to Ray Rice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtToadette 59 Posted September 12, 2014 Here is the prosecutor justifying giving Rice PTI.... Atlantic City Press - Prosecutor Explains Decision to grant PTI to Ray Rice. Thanks for the link. I was reading the intro and wondering where it was going, then I got to this: Then, he asked himself one question: “If this wasn’t Ray Rice. If this wasn’t a public figure. If this were some relatively anonymous person who had all the attributes that he had, where the situation was just the same as was present here, what would you do?” The answer, he said, was PTI. What. The. Eff. This is literally the same person. LITERALLY THE SAME PERSON, who denied Shaneen's application. What a prick. He goes on in the article to explain how horrible violent acts are, yet Shaneen is being charged with mere possession charges. This guy has a special place in hell reserved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted September 12, 2014 Thanks for the link. I was reading the intro and wondering where it was going, then I got to this: What. The. Eff. This is literally the same person. LITERALLY THE SAME PERSON, who denied Shaneen's application. What a prick. He goes on in the article to explain how horrible violent acts are, yet Shaneen is being charged with mere possession charges. This guy has a special place in hell reserved. Which tells me that there's a lot more politics involved in Shaneen's case than meets the eye. I wonder how far up the chain this actually goes.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SgtToadette 59 Posted September 12, 2014 Probably more politics with Rice's case, IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 12, 2014 "Ray Rice case: N.J. lawmakers question prosecutor's decision, but experts say it's common" http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/09/ray_rice_case_lawmakers_question_punishment_but_experts_say_its_common.html?cmpid=outbrain_politics_desktop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny 0 Posted September 12, 2014 She started the snowball rolling down the hill by bringing a loaded weapon into the PRNJ. The LEO sped it up by arresting her instead of having her secure the weapon and immediately return to PA with a stern warning. The press got wind of this story and published it everywhere. Now everyone is watching this case. The Prosecutor grants PTI and a fine but no jail time and the message goes out to the world that NJ does not really enforce their gun laws. The Prosecutor thinks more people from PA will decide to bring weapons into NJ because they feel they probably won't do jail time if caught. The Prosecutor is going to make an example of her and throw the book at her. The Press will report it all over the place. The chance of anyone making the same mistake she made is greatly diminished. The poor lady and her family will suffer so that the PRNJ can make a point!!!! I only hope her story gets National attention so that all may know what we here on this board know all too well.......NJ's GUN LAWS SUCK!!!!! They have sent that message many, many times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustang69 505 Posted September 12, 2014 The answer to this is to change the law, not "waive" it for one individual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManWithBeard 2 Posted September 12, 2014 A little update on the story. http://www.nranews.com/ginny/video/justice-in-new-jersey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted September 12, 2014 A little update on the story. http://www.nranews.com/ginny/video/justice-in-new-jersey Good video. Unfortunately, it's a little "preaching to the choir." This video will never be seen by the people who most need to see it... the "sheeples." The antis and Fudds won't care. The pro-2a folks already know the problem. if there was a way to sneek this onto the Natl. MSM, it would be great. But it ain't gonna happen.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted September 12, 2014 UPDATE: THIS WAS JUST POSTED AND IS MAKING ROUNDS THRU MEDIA SOURCES REPORT: Atlantic County Prosecutor Reconsiders Shaneen Allen Case?Sep. 12 Atlantic County, Crime, Criminal Justice, Jersey Shore, Second Amendment, South Jersey no comments By Matt Rooney | The Save Jersey Blog Your voices may’ve been heard as the wheels of justice turn in Atlantic County, Save Jerseyans! Here’s what we heard on Friday (see below); stay tuned for updates if there are any… NRA News Media/News/Publishing · 572,129 Likes· 2 hrs · Edited · BREAKING NEWS: The prosecutor in the Shaneen Allen case has requested her upcoming trial be delayed while he reviews the appropriate resolution of her case. Shaneen is the Philadelphia mother of two who became an unwitting victim of New Jersey's gun laws. Stay tuned for the exclusive interview with Ginny Simone and Shaneen's attorney Evan Nappen coming soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 12, 2014 Excellent video!!! We should post this to every Shaneen and Ray Rice comment section of every article out there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted September 12, 2014 UPDATE: THIS WAS JUST POSTED AND IS MAKING ROUNDS THRU MEDIA SOURCES Cautious optimism here! Let us hope that the Ray Rice debacle put sufficient pressure on the prosecutor to re-consider PTI for Shaneen. Hopefully, it's not too late for that. We need to keep the pressure up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted September 13, 2014 more info --- Nappen and Simone follow up from yesterdays announcement http://www.nranews.com/cam/video/ginny-simone-and-attorney-evan-nappen-prosecutor-delays-shaneen-allen-trial Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,922 Posted September 24, 2014 Excellent news! It is shameful that it took so much effort to make this idiot prosecutor see the error in this persecution. Sent from my SCH-I800 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted September 24, 2014 UPDATE: Shaneen Allen Gets PTISep. 24 Atlantic County, Criminal Justice, Second Amendment no comments By Matt Rooney | The Save Jersey Blog A huge update on the Shaneen Allen saga from NBC 10: “On Wednesday, the Atlantic County Prosecutor’s Office released a clarification of the 2008 “Graves Act” directive, which deals with incidents in which out-of-state residents who hold a valid permit to carry a firearm in their home state are arrested in New Jersey and charged with illegal possession of a firearm under New Jersey law.” Read the rest here. Updated Graves Act Directive text here http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/pressofatlanticcity.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/23/923b6d04-442d-11e4-8e6d-6b7e2f563c3b/542330a53c11b.pdf.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 24, 2014 I'm glad to hear this for her! Unfortunately, I doubt that this will help the rest of us in trying to become equal with citizens of the free states... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 24, 2014 Oh, and that article claims that she had armor penetrating bullets in the firearm. Time to find the comments section and point this out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted September 24, 2014 yes NJ2As and other groups have been combating that lie all along Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted September 24, 2014 I am unpleased she got off with PTI. I wanted this to go to trial. I wanted her to be convicted. I wanted every possible penalty thrown at her and made to stick. Then and only then is there possibility for the steaming masses to wake up to the bullshit that is the gun laws in this state, and any hope of them being changed. ACP either saw the writing on the wall or got their ear bent by people who saw all of this, and told him to back off less they lose bigger in the end. So at the end of the day we're all still fucked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,922 Posted September 24, 2014 Having read the AG's clarifying memo, I'm wondering if it, in itself is constitutional as it does not provide equal protection to NJ residents vs. non-residents. This is all too stupid for me to understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 25, 2014 It's very specific to out of staters that honestly made a mistake or travellers that have minimal exposure to residents of the state. Nowhere near fair by any means, but perhaps something that could be exploited if you were a resident caught and charged. Of course this will all be swept away once the antis gain control of the executive branch again. Thier A.G. will revoke this and we'll be back to square 1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 25, 2014 It's also specifically hitting on those points of Ms. Allen's case. Too narrow for my tastes... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted September 25, 2014 I am unpleased she got off with PTI.I wanted this to go to trial.I wanted her to be convicted.I wanted every possible penalty thrown at her and made to stick.Then and only then is there possibility for the steaming masses to wake up to the bullshit that is the gun laws in this state, and any hope of them being changed.ACP either saw the writing on the wall or got their ear bent by people who saw all of this, and told him to back off less they lose bigger in the end.So at the end of the day we're all still fucked. Nice of you to want to sacrifice this young mother for a cause. I guess you could go and open carry at your local police station, get arrested then refuse any offer of PTI so you can go to trial to possibly wake up the "steaming masses" "to the bullshit that is the gun laws in this state". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted September 25, 2014 Excellent news! It is shameful that it took so much effort to make this idiot prosecutor see the error in this persecution. I don't believe he's seen anything but unfavorable publicity. As soon as the furor dies down, it will be back to prosecutions persecutions as usual. Especially if you're a Caucasian male. See 'Brian Aitken'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted September 25, 2014 Nice of you to want to sacrifice this young mother for a cause. I guess you could go and open carry at your local police station, get arrested then refuse any offer of PTI so you can go to trial to possibly wake up the "steaming masses" "to the bullshit that is the gun laws in this state". It wouldn't work if it were me getting jacked up. I'm white, I'm in a WASPy town, I have no "hardships" (married, only 1 kid, etc.,) I have no money problems, I'm basically "boring" when it comes to the media. I wouldn't be offered PTI ever so that's a moot point. Plus I'm too much of a chickenshit to try and start a "movement" to solve this, and I'm not afraid to say that. HER CASE hit all the right buttons to bring all the groups to the table and have them see that the laws we have are total bullshit. If more single, black, multi-child, low-income, poor neighborhood black women were buying firearms legally and getting jacked up by the system, the system would be changed overnight what with Sharpton and Jackson and the rest of the race baiter crews descending like locusts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted September 25, 2014 It wouldn't work if it were me getting jacked up.I'm white, I'm in a WASPy town, I have no "hardships" (married, only 1 kid, etc.,) I have no money problems, I'm basically "boring" when it comes to the media. I wouldn't be offered PTI ever so that's a moot point. Plus I'm too much of a chickenshit to try and start a "movement" to solve this, and I'm not afraid to say that.HER CASE hit all the right buttons to bring all the groups to the table and have them see that the laws we have are total bullshit. If more single, black, multi-child, low-income, poor neighborhood black women were buying firearms legally and getting jacked up by the system, the system would be changed overnight what with Sharpton and Jackson and the rest of the race baiter crews descending like locusts. I hear you and I wasn't really trying to call you out as a dick as others have said similar things. Yes it would've been nice if this led to our rights being restored, I just think it sounds bad for any of us "wish" she wouldn't have gotten PTI so she can be our "Joan of Ark". Would be a different story if she wanted to be "Joan", but I'd don't think she does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 30, 2014 "Shaneen Allen soon to see light of day after Second Amendment tussle" http://www.examiner.com/article/shaneen-allen-soon-to-see-light-of-day-after-second-amendment-tussle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted September 30, 2014 "Shaneen Allen soon to see light of day after Second Amendment tussle" http://www.examiner.com/article/shaneen-allen-soon-to-see-light-of-day-after-second-amendment-tussle Do we know if her Philly permit was "seized" and if so, will she get it back? I think I read where she probably has to forfeit the gun, but that's much more easily replaced. The other thing is getting back her healthcare/professional licenses so she can go back to work and support her family. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 30, 2014 I do not know for a fact, but if I were her, I'd do what it takes to get this program over with, get my record scrubbed and get my permit & firearm back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites