jackandjill 683 Posted March 10, 2015 http://www.franklintwpnj.org/government/departments/police/firearms-applicant-information/firearms-faq "My relative is deceased and I have inherited his firearms. Am I required to obtain a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card and/or a Permit to Purchase a Handgun to take possession of them?" .... "Note: Although you are not required to possess a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card to inherit firearms, you WILL NOT be able to transport, purchase ammunition or fire the weapons at a qualified firearms range unless you possess a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card.".... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted March 10, 2015 i just posted the inheritance question for a friend. there's a statute that you do not need a p2p to take posession of the pistol. also, me not being a lawyer, i don't think you need an fpid to transport tot he range....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted March 10, 2015 N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.13 Firearms passing to heirs or legatees (a) Notwithstanding the provisions of this subchapter concerning the transfer, receipt or acquisition of a firearm, a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card shall not be required for the passing of a firearm upon the death of an owner thereof to their heir or legatee, whether the same be by testamentary bequest or by the laws of intestacy. A person so acquiring ownership may retain the firearm if he or she meets the requirements of N.J.A.C. 13:54- 1.5 and 1.6. (b) If an heir or legatee is not qualified to acquire a firearm, he or she may retain ownership of the firearm for the purpose of sale for a period of 180 days, which period may be extended by the chief of police or the Superintendent. During such period the firearm must be placed in the custody of the chief of police or Superintendent. © In the case of assault firearms or machine guns disposition shall be in accordance with N.J.A.C. 13:54-5. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 10, 2015 I know. But the FT PD FAQ is telling people that they "CANNOT" transport firearms to range without FPID. And thats not true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damjan 73 Posted March 10, 2015 I know. But the FT PD FAQ is telling people that they "CANNOT" transport firearms to range without FPID. And thats not true. Why dont you send them a letter outlining the law and ask them to change what they have on the website Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted March 10, 2015 And how cute of them highly recommending the voluntary registration all inherited the firearms with the State of NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spartiati 63 Posted March 10, 2015 Looks like the site was updated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted March 10, 2015 I know. But the FT PD FAQ is telling people that they "CANNOT" transport firearms to range without FPID. And thats not true. i'd pull up the statute, and send it to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted March 10, 2015 A police department making up the rules as they go along? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted March 10, 2015 scroll about half way down...... http://law.onecle.com/new-jersey/2c-the-new-jersey-code-of-criminal-justice/39-6.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted March 10, 2015 f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent: (1) A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section; (2) A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license; (3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling: (a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or (b) Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illy 1 Posted March 10, 2015 Looks like the site was updated? Nope, still lying to the citizenry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 10, 2015 Why dont you send them a letter outlining the law and ask them to change what they have on the website Not my town, but done. Others - feel free to do the same. http://www.franklintwpnj.org/government/departments/police/police-contact-us Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dragline 11 Posted March 11, 2015 Oh okay, that Franklin Twp. Not good either way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 2 Posted March 11, 2015 My understanding is you need the FID if you're transporting any LONG GUNS around OTHER than directly to or directly from the range. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 11, 2015 My understanding is you need the FID if you're transporting any LONG GUNS around OTHER than directly to or directly from the range. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I don't recall that being the case. For example, I haven't seen any part of the law that requires you to carry a FID to take your gun to the shop to have it repaired or any of the other reasons we are so generously allowed by NJ law to have the firearm in our vehicle. Just section g applies in terms of how you encase it and keep it being unloaded. I think the only thing a FID does is allow you to purchase a long gun. Doesn't seem to serve any other purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 11, 2015 Well, other than a stepping stone to registration and consfication. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 11, 2015 Not my town, but done. Others - feel free to do the same. http://www.franklintwpnj.org/government/departments/police/police-contact-us Your letter may have worked. Doesn't seem to be there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 11, 2015 I think the only thing a FID does is allow you to purchase a long gun. Doesn't seem to serve any other purpose. Your FPID allows you to transport long guns outside the specific exemptions in the statutes. It also allows you to buy handgun ammunition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 11, 2015 Your letter may have worked. Doesn't seem to be there. I wish the change was that fast. Its still there http://www.franklintwpnj.org/government/departments/police/firearms-applicant-information/firearms-faq . I did receive an email this morning from a town officer requesting particulars. I provided them. Lets see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted March 11, 2015 http://www.franklintwpnj.org/government/departments/police/firearms-applicant-information/firearms-faq "My relative is deceased and I have inherited his firearms. Am I required to obtain a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card and/or a Permit to Purchase a Handgun to take possession of them?" .... "Note: Although you are not required to possess a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card to inherit firearms, you WILL NOT be able to transport, purchase ammunition or fire the weapons at a qualified firearms range unless you possess a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser Identification Card.".... Does the State of NJ require "qualified firearms ranges" to supply the names of the attendees AND their SBI#s? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 11, 2015 Does the State of NJ require "qualified firearms ranges" to supply the names of the attendees AND their SBI#s? "....annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in....".. Doesnt say anything about what details are to be included in that "list". Doesnt say anything about if the person in question have to be member or to be on that list submitted etc.. If the person in question has to be a member and to be on that list, then it opens another set of interesting questions... Even so, the portion about range in FAQ is about firing at the said range. They seem think "transport" itself is illegal (WILL NOT BE ABLE) without FPID. I am less concerned about some verbiage on the website, and more about what other officers in the PD are trained / told about transport. And if this is coming from Chief / Local Prosecutor or Town Attorney, they got bigger problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 12, 2015 " Even so, the portion about range in FAQ is about firing at the said range. They seem think "transport" itself is illegal (WILL NOT BE ABLE) without FPID. I am less concerned about some verbiage on the website, and more about what other officers in the PD are trained / told about transport. And if this is coming from Chief / Local Prosecutor or Town Attorney, they got bigger problems. Yeah, still there. Under the inherited from a deceased relative question. I didn't se it initially. And your concern is also my concern. If I happened to be driving through that town, or some other town working off the same bad information, I don't want a cop arresting me because he happens to see my shotgun and ammo in the back seat of my pickup. Makes we want to keep a printed copy of the law with me...and maybe Evan Nappen in my back seat. Unreal what we have to deal with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 12, 2015 And it would be nice if the NRA with its significant resources would, if advised of this sort of thing, would have one of their attorneys write a formal letter to PD's that make this sort of bad info public. Maybe they do but I'm not all that confident they'd get involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,138 Posted March 12, 2015 Yeah, still there. Under the inherited from a deceased relative question. I didn't se it initially. And your concern is also my concern. If I happened to be driving through that town, or some other town working off the same bad information, I don't want a cop arresting me because he happens to see my shotgun and ammo in the back seat of my pickup. Makes we want to keep a printed copy of the law with me...and maybe Evan Nappen in my back seat. Unreal what we have to deal with. If you have a ANJRPC membership card it is actually prnted on the back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted March 12, 2015 My understanding is you need the FID if you're transporting any LONG GUNS around OTHER than directly to or directly from the range. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk if i'm correct, with your fPid, you can have your long guns stored in your vehicle pretty much from now till the end of time. as long as they're secured as per the statutes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted March 12, 2015 And it would be nice if the NRA with its significant resources would, if advised of this sort of thing, would have one of their attorneys write a formal letter to PD's that make this sort of bad info public. Maybe they do but I'm not all that confident they'd get involved. this. i'm still convinced that they consider us a lost cause here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 2 Posted March 13, 2015 I don't recall that being the case. For example, I haven't seen any part of the law that requires you to carry a FID to take your gun to the shop to have it repaired or any of the other reasons we are so generously allowed by NJ law to have the firearm in our vehicle. Just section g applies in terms of how you encase it and keep it being unloaded. I think the only thing a FID does is allow you to purchase a long gun. Doesn't seem to serve any other purpose. I'm going by what I heard Evan Nappen say ...as I understood it anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 2 Posted March 13, 2015 if i'm correct, with your fPid, you can have your long guns stored in your vehicle pretty much from now till the end of time. as long as they're secured as per the statutes. Here, debate it with Evan Nappen lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norseman 2 Posted March 13, 2015 I don't recall that being the case. For example, I haven't seen any part of the law that requires you to carry a FID to take your gun to the shop to have it repaired or any of the other reasons we are so generously allowed by NJ law to have the firearm in our vehicle. Just section g applies in terms of how you encase it and keep it being unloaded. I think the only thing a FID does is allow you to purchase a long gun. Doesn't seem to serve any other purpose. Here: debate it with Evan Nappen: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites