1LtCAP 4,264 Posted February 17, 2016 Because it's not legal most of the time.... you're wrong there. the majority of modifications and modification parts sold for cars have already passed CARB testing, which is much more strict than the federal standards. even exhaust cutouts(such as those found on the boss302 from the factory) are behind the cats now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robot_hell 72 Posted February 17, 2016 Because it's not legal most of the time.... Really? Most people see their cars as appliances and don't do so much as hang a pine tree air freshener, let alone do any kind of mods to their car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 828 Posted February 17, 2016 I just read somewhere that there are 420 trees for every human on the planet. Are air supply is going to be OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 17, 2016 Really? Most people see their cars as appliances and don't do so much as hang a pine tree air freshener, let alone do any kind of mods to their car. we already discussed the small number of people modding cars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 17, 2016 you're wrong there. the majority of modifications and modification parts sold for cars have already passed CARB testing, which is much more strict than the federal standards. even exhaust cutouts(such as those found on the boss302 from the factory) are behind the cats now. That's funny so super charges and high flow exhaust pass emissions? Which tune? The one you use once every couple years to get ur car through inspection? Half my friends can't pass inspection and pay people off for stickers. But like I said, and I think a few have ignored. I already said it was an over reach, Adding something like a cat back or CAI does not effect emissions enough to care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 17, 2016 I just read somewhere that there are 420 trees for every human on the planet. Are air supply is going to be OK. Is CO2 your only concern? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 17, 2016 I just read somewhere that there are 420 trees for every human on the planet. Are air supply is going to be OK.The ocean as wellhttp://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/science/2002-08-15-oceans-2_x.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 828 Posted February 17, 2016 Is CO2 your only concern? No. But the whole argument to me is silly. We will run out of fossil fuels long before we run out of breathable air. Want to breath clean air now? Move to the mountains in Colorado. 15rd mags Permitted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,306 Posted February 17, 2016 No. But the whole argument to me is silly. We will run out of fossil fuels long before we run out of breathable air. I don't recall "running out of breathable air" being advanced as an argument in the whole fossil fuel/global warming debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 828 Posted February 17, 2016 And as a human living here now it would be great to breath fresh clean air. Technically, most shops are already in illegal business practices when they let a vehicle drive out of their shops when fresh install off-road modifications. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 17, 2016 No. But the whole argument to me is silly. We will run out of fossil fuels long before we run out of breathable air. Want to breath clean air now? Move to the mountains in Colorado. 15rd mags Permitted.The argument may seem silly to you, except I've heard nothing but subjective opinions in here. I'm not exactly interested in your thoughts unless you have something g to support your position. I'm more concerned with the degradation of ecosystems due to increasing acidicy of the environment.... Which is a global and local problem to places that don't control emissions. But keep telling me how trees are supposed to do something about that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 17, 2016 It's interesting. Not all states have emmisions testing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection_in_the_United_States Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 828 Posted February 17, 2016 The argument may seem silly to you, except I've heard nothing but subjective opinions in here. I'm not exactly interested in your thoughts unless you have something g to support your position. I'm more concerned with the degradation of ecosystems due to increasing acidicy of the environment.... Which is a global and local problem to places that don't control emissions. But keep telling me how trees are supposed to do something about that. They don't control emmisions of what? Personal automobiles? Outlawing or banning a few thousand hot rods is not going to make a difference. You need to be looking at the commercial industry. Planes, huge cruise boats, tanker ships, trains, and those millions and millions of trucks delivering all your goods, off road earth movers, and let's not forget about the exploding commercial generator industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmittyMHS 603 Posted February 17, 2016 Is it just me or does it look like if you change the topic a bit you can see the anti's trying to justify gun control...oh excuse me, now they call if gun safety. They're right. Everybody else is wrong. No talking to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 17, 2016 They don't control emmisions of what? Personal automobiles? Outlawing or banning a few thousand hot rods is not going to make a difference. You need to be looking at the commercial industry. Planes, huge cruise boats, tanker ships, trains, and those millions and millions of trucks delivering all your goods, off road earth movers, and let's not forget about the exploding commercial generator industry. I get it, you don't think it will make a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 17, 2016 I get it, you don't think it will make a difference.hes right. It's a lot of overreach for minimal returns.Lt cap will back my up on this, general aviation is still leaded gas, unless it's turbine( jet fuel). I've never seen a cat on a plane. ( catalytic converter yet). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 17, 2016 hes right. It's a lot of overreach for minimal returns. Lt cap will back my up on this, general aviation is still leaded gas, unless it's turbine( jet fuel). I've never seen a cat on a plane. ( catalytic converter yet). minimal returns is still a difference. Let's not be so subjective here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted February 17, 2016 New Jersey has already banned any kind of modified vehicle and pretty much every vehicle over about 15 years old. Ever try to bring any kind of car or truck with a carburetor through inspection? It won't pass unless you change the timing and fuel ratio to the point it runs so bad its undriveable. It's all about money making. Your old car won't pass so you have to buy a new one witch me and more tax money, more registration money etc... NJ is just a huge money making machine. You didn't know that this year any vehicle older than 1995 won't have to to through inspection(Non Comercial)? Also all state inspection stations are closing down? Only gas station inspection will be left. http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Inspections/inspection.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 17, 2016 minimal returns is still a difference. Let's not be so subjective here.Ill agree it's a difference, but it's dollars vs sense Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 17, 2016 My duramax is self inspect Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted February 17, 2016 Is it just me or does it look like if you change the topic a bit you can see the anti's trying to justify gun control...oh excuse me, now they call if gun safety. They're right. Everybody else is wrong. No talking to them. I will agree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
302w 83 Posted February 17, 2016 Vehicle inspections make me miss New Jersey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 17, 2016 Is it just me or does it look like if you change the topic a bit you can see the anti's trying to justify gun control...oh excuse me, now they call if gun safety. They're right. Everybody else is wrong. No talking to them. I guess anytime we discuss the regulation of anything it has to be somehow comparable to the argument of firearm ownership... Well shit man, maybe I'll just ignore hunting regs and litter your local water supply with lead shot... I'm sure you would appreciate that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted February 17, 2016 I just read somewhere that there are 420 trees for every human on the planet. Are air supply is going to be OK. trees are not our primary source of oxygen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted February 17, 2016 That's funny so super charges and high flow exhaust pass emissions? Which tune? The one you use once every couple years to get ur car through inspection? Half my friends can't pass inspection and pay people off for stickers. But like I said, and I think a few have ignored. I already said it was an over reach, Adding something like a cat back or CAI does not effect emissions enough to care. if they're CARB and EPA approved, yes they do. and nearly everyone sells them. shit....you can get your brand new 2016 mustang gt with a dealer installed supercharger, without hurting your warranty, and they'll tune it to match the sc. same with headers, larger exhaust systems, etc. as long as it's got those stamps of approval, and you don't disable any emissions equipment, you're good to go. there are plenty of tunes available to enhance performance, that are approved. the companies selling them wouldn't still be in business if there weren't. if your friends cars are failing, they've either gone way too far, or put illegal shit on their cars. my 12 second stang passed emissions easily, despite having had an "X" cam in it(which was not certified)...but she ran on the dyno, and the numbers were well within the limits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted February 17, 2016 hes right. It's a lot of overreach for minimal returns. Lt cap will back my up on this, general aviation is still leaded gas, unless it's turbine( jet fuel). I've never seen a cat on a plane. ( catalytic converter yet). correct. we run 100LL in general aviation aircraft. no pollution control equipment. the thing is.....if they truly wanted to lower pollution, they'd be going after manufacturing plants, etc......but that's much more expensive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekend_junkie 129 Posted February 17, 2016 correct. we run 100LL in general aviation aircraft. no pollution control equipment. the thing is.....if they truly wanted to lower pollution, they'd be going after manufacturing plants, etc......but that's much more expensive. I understood that 100LL is already on schedule to be regulated out of existence in a few years: http://www.aopa.org/Advocacy/Regulatory-,-a-,-Certification-Policy/100LL-avgas-replacement?CMP=HPS.ADV4U Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albanian 121 Posted February 17, 2016 Oh look the government trying to play good guy by telling people what to do under the threat of fine, imprisonment, or death. Meanwhile the US gov is the biggest polluter in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 17, 2016 if they're CARB and EPA approved, yes they do. and nearly everyone sells them. shit....you can get your brand new 2016 mustang gt with a dealer installed supercharger, without hurting your warranty, and they'll tune it to match the sc. same with headers, larger exhaust systems, etc. as long as it's got those stamps of approval, and you don't disable any emissions equipment, you're good to go. there are plenty of tunes available to enhance performance, that are approved. the companies selling them wouldn't still be in business if there weren't. if your friends cars are failing, they've either gone way too far, or put illegal shit on their cars. my 12 second stang passed emissions easily, despite having had an "X" cam in it(which was not certified)...but she ran on the dyno, and the numbers were well within the limits. Not a single carb approved supercharger comes out of my friends shop. They are off road use only ESS superchargers. They offer a tune that will pass inspection, but when you pay the money you do for that kit your not gonna leave meat on the bone with a crappy tune. Most dealer installed performance parts leave a lot of power left with a eco friendly tune. Who says, yes give me that 7k super charger, now program the tune that keeps me Street legal? Or give me the most power you can with out blowing up the engine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites