1563621 388 Posted May 30, 2017 Guy emailed me he will take it. 800. shipped. I emailed back need FFL scanned to me. Received FFL, looked legit!. Ran thru FFL EZ check, wrong address and wrong CO. name. Called lembert back, told him there was an issue and got a hang up. Sold rifle again to a legit buyer. 2 weeks go by, receive priority envelope with a cert. check from a trucking co. in GA. for 1500. This is in payment for lembert's rifle that i have now sold elsewhere. Called trucking CO. talked to owner. Fake check, closed account and changed banks 3 months ago! Held onto all emails and check, contacted ATF. Two weeks have gone by. No response from ATF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted May 30, 2017 friggin scammers..unbelievable.. not sure the atf will be able to do anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot 358 Posted May 30, 2017 Armslist is a den of thieves. I refuse to use it. Would prefer FTF on here or ar15.com with good feedback Only accept PayPal or USPS MO when selling. I call the FFL beforehand to let them know I'm shipping and to verify address. Anything else is risky. I always insist on talking to the seller over the phone. Ask him about the firearm, round count, where they bought it, why they're selling, specific questions about the gun only someone close to it would know, etc. You should be able to sniff out a scammer 9/10 times. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 957 Posted May 30, 2017 Would you like me to have my ATF agent contact you.....?????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1563621 388 Posted May 30, 2017 Emailed all the info to ATF. Kept all copies. I think very difficult to track down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted May 31, 2017 Crazy.... then again, what do they expect when you have a completely uncontrolled listing service with ZERO accountability or feedback. At least on gunbroker there is a feedback system like here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted May 31, 2017 Meh... local LE dont care much either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted May 31, 2017 39 minutes ago, fatty said: Meh... local LE dont care much either. Because they don't have jurisdiction to deal with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted May 31, 2017 32 minutes ago, GRIZ said: Because they don't have jurisdiction to deal with it. Even if it was a local guy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1563621 388 Posted May 31, 2017 FFL was Arizona, Check came out of Georgia! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted May 31, 2017 40 minutes ago, fatty said: Even if it was a local guy? That would be a different story. A local guy would have no reason to send a check and not do a ftf. If ATF doesn't do anything there's a few things you need to be aware of. Unless they have this guy doing this multiple times they're going to do an "open and close", "no prosecutorial merit". While many think ATF Agents sit around making cases on some guy in NJ giving a shotgun to hIs brother in PA that's not the case. So many agents, only so much time, you want to go after that guy or some guy who's run 100 guns into Newark from souther states. Which would you think merits more effort? Local PD, even NJSP, have no jurisdiction out of state. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted May 31, 2017 Very true. Thanks for the info Griz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted June 2, 2017 You could also try contacting the US Postal Inspectors, he's using the mail to commit fraud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted June 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, Oakridgefirearms said: You could also try contacting the US Postal Inspectors, he's using the mail to commit fraud. See my post above. All Federal LE agencies are understaffed for all the Federal crimes committed. Postal Inspectors areally no different. If you conduct an investigation and have enough to arrest a guy (always best to get warrant if you have time) you have to clear prosecution through the US Attorney. If the US Attorney declines prosecution that's the end of it. Now at times a Fed can take his case to local prosecutors but they are usually a lot busier than the US Attorney. Also Feds are not there to enforce state law. There are plenty of criminals That's why state and local LEOs assigned to Federal Task forces are a valuable asset. They can handle the case if there is an equivalent state law. Their agency benefits from seized asset sharing. Win all around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted June 2, 2017 I'm not saying not to contact Feds. However don't be disappointed if nothing becomes of it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted June 2, 2017 8 hours ago, GRIZ said: See my post above. All Federal LE agencies are understaffed for all the Federal crimes committed. Postal Inspectors areally no different. If you conduct an investigation and have enough to arrest a guy (always best to get warrant if you have time) you have to clear prosecution through the US Attorney. If the US Attorney declines prosecution that's the end of it. Now at times a Fed can take his case to local prosecutors but they are usually a lot busier than the US Attorney. Also Feds are not there to enforce state law. There are plenty of criminals That's why state and local LEOs assigned to Federal Task forces are a valuable asset. They can handle the case if there is an equivalent state law. Their agency benefits from seized asset sharing. Win all around. No doubt, but like you said in your second post it can't hurt to report it. If the guy is doing it enough it get the feds attention. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted June 2, 2017 No doesn't hurt. If you report it there will be a record made of it. The statute of limitations for most Federal felonies is 5 years. I've made cases where I arrested the guy and discovered other crimes still within the statute of limitations and managed to get the guy charged for those crimes. Maybe the evidence wasn't that strong in the past cases. The defendant has to ask the question, "do I want to go to trial and maybe get 20 years or do I plead out to one count and get 5". Okay he doesn't do all the time he deserves but he does do time. Federal sentencing guidelines are structured by the seriousness of the crime, the defendant's role in the crime, if he pleas out at what stage does he plea out, what help he gives the prosecution, and other factors. I had a case where I had four defendant's all equally culpable. I did my homework and had evidence to impeach one defendant's testimony. At the end they got 30, 20, 10, and 5 years. The guy did a lot to get 5 years. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RecessedFilter 222 Posted June 3, 2017 I don't even know why anyone would waste their time with Armslist. It's either forums or GB if dealing online. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted June 3, 2017 I rarely post on there anymore. I do have a pile of stuff I have to list thoughSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1563621 388 Posted June 3, 2017 Mostly I sell on gunboards. Armslist is problems. FTF is not bad, and no fee. Watch for the trollers that don't have DOCS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites