Matroskin 29 Posted November 8, 2017 Folks, Need an advice on the topic.I want to participate in 2/3 gun matches and wanted to buy/build 9mm budget carbine that can use glock magazines. Looked on ( the internet) at: KelTecHi pointAR 9 Another point I was thinking is convertion kits for Glock to carbine. Budget is undefined but the lower the price the better. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted November 8, 2017 Avoid the Glock to carbine kits. Build an AR that takes Glock Mags. I used QC10 parts (Lower, Barrel, and Bolt - the rest are standard AR parts) and I am pleased. If I was going to do it again, I think I would use New Frontier Armory parts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted November 8, 2017 Did a build using New Frontier 9mm Glock lower and BCG, Kaw Valley barrel, comp and buffer (Faxon makes the barrels for KAW), an other assorted parts I had laying around (PSA LPG less trigger, 15" Keymod rail picked up cheap, redid a trigger group I had, Magpul Fixed Carbine stock, etc). Replaced firing pin due to manufacturing issues (NFA replaced no problem), otherwise performs flawlessly, including last round bolt hold open even with cheap Korean mags. Very pleased with results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted November 8, 2017 Did a build using New Frontier 9mm Glock lower and BCG, Kaw Valley barrel, comp and buffer (Faxon makes the barrels for KAW), an other assorted parts I had laying around (PSA LPG less trigger, 15" Keymod rail picked up cheap, redid a trigger group I had, Magpul Fixed Carbine stock, etc). Replaced firing pin due to manufacturing issues (NFA replaced no problem), otherwise performs flawlessly, including last round bolt hold open even with cheap Korean mags. Very pleased with results.How much would it run when all done? Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted November 8, 2017 Hard to say as I already had parts lying around. Figure $600 to $800 with prudent shopping. Joebob's supplied the KAW stuff lower from NFA direct. Black Friday is coming and so is Murphy so ................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted November 8, 2017 Keltec Sub2000 for the win. Lifetime warranty. Takes Glock Mags. Folds in half. Retains its value. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted November 8, 2017 Keltec Sub2000 for the win. Lifetime warranty. Takes Glock Mags. Folds in half. Retains its value. I honestly leaning that way to save time and energy. I only curious if I can effectively use it in steel challenge or knockdown steel matches. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Zeke 5,504 Posted November 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, High Exposure said: That is one ugly baby. jus sayen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted November 8, 2017 To each his own. Build time was less than an hour, no gas so no timing, just fit some parts together and tighten. Mine is similar to HE, just picture a fixed carbine stock, no light, sling, or stop on hand guard. Wears a TRS-25 RDS most days. Great plinker at steel. Co-habs with the G17G4MOS w/ FF3. Have a JR Carbine as well, but that changes between 9 and 45. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted November 8, 2017 Mine mimics my duty and SWAT rifles. Let’s me get reps in when shooting where 5.56 rifles are a no go. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schrödinger's cat 87 Posted November 8, 2017 I have a kel tec and the parts for a AR 9. I say get both eventually because the kel tec is fun, but start with the AR 9. You can do it on a budget quite easily for close to the price of the kel tec. I have the forged 9mm lower from PSA that I got as a blem. It was like $110 IIRC but you have to jump on it the second it goes on sale. I got my blem 9mm BCG and barrel from Spinta Precision, they have great CS and nice products. There is a special on a low weight 9mm barrel now for $69 http://www.spintaprecision.com/16-9mm-lightweight-melonite-nitride-barrel-1-16-twist-1-2x28-new-product-special/ and a nice angle cut BCG for $109 http://www.spintaprecision.com/blem-9mm-angle-cut-nitride-bolt-carrier-group/ If you shop around you can get a LPK and stock kit for a little over $80. I happen not to like the PSA lower kit so I spend a bit more. A slick side upper is nice on a 9mm build IMO, maybe $80. Joebobs has a standard upper and parts kit for $60 https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Anderson-Manufacturing-AR15-Stripped-Upper-Receive-p/ander-upper.htm https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Complete-Mil-Spec-Forward-Assist-Kit-p/jb-forwardassistkit.htm https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Complete-Mil-Spec-Ejection-Port-Door-Kit-Dust-Cov-p/jb-ejectionportdoorkit.htm 15" slim MLOK handguard for $65 http://skidtactical.com/store/guntec-usa/15-ultra-lightweight-thin-m-lok-system-free-floating-handguard-with-monolithic-top-rail/ Kaw Valley linear compensator $39 https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Kaw-Valley-Precision-22cal-Linear-Comp-1-2x28-Blac-p/kvp-linear223-blk.htm Mil Spec CH $14 or so. I'd personally upgrade my trigger to a ALG ACT or RRA NM and upgrade my CH to something nicer. Add BUIS and perhaps the TRS 25 (on sale for $50 on amazon now) and you have a really sweet setup. Without the upgrades you are in about $460. Plus shipping and NICS. To me personally the time and energy invested is extremely enjoyably. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted November 8, 2017 I shot the Keltec in the American Marksman competition. Ive owned them in some sort since 2002. Great rifles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted November 8, 2017 I have a kel tec and the parts for a AR 9. I say get both eventually because the kel tec is fun, but start with the AR 9. You can do it on a budget quite easily for close to the price of the kel tec. I have the forged 9mm lower from PSA that I got as a blem. It was like $110 IIRC but you have to jump on it the second it goes on sale. I got my blem 9mm BCG and barrel from Spinta Precision, they have great CS and nice products. There is a special on a low weight 9mm barrel now for $69 http://www.spintaprecision.com/16-9mm-lightweight-melonite-nitride-barrel-1-16-twist-1-2x28-new-product-special/ and a nice angle cut BCG for $109 http://www.spintaprecision.com/blem-9mm-angle-cut-nitride-bolt-carrier-group/ If you shop around you can get a LPK and stock kit for a little over $80. I happen not to like the PSA lower kit so I spend a bit more. A slick side upper is nice on a 9mm build IMO, maybe $80. Joebobs has a standard upper and parts kit for $60 https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Anderson-Manufacturing-AR15-Stripped-Upper-Receive-p/ander-upper.htmhttps://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Complete-Mil-Spec-Forward-Assist-Kit-p/jb-forwardassistkit.htmhttps://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Complete-Mil-Spec-Ejection-Port-Door-Kit-Dust-Cov-p/jb-ejectionportdoorkit.htm 15" slim MLOK handguard for $65 http://skidtactical.com/store/guntec-usa/15-ultra-lightweight-thin-m-lok-system-free-floating-handguard-with-monolithic-top-rail/ Kaw Valley linear compensator $39 https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Kaw-Valley-Precision-22cal-Linear-Comp-1-2x28-Blac-p/kvp-linear223-blk.htm Mil Spec CH $14 or so. I'd personally upgrade my trigger to a ALG ACT or RRA NM and upgrade my CH to something nicer. Add BUIS and perhaps the TRS 25 (on sale for $50 on amazon now) and you have a really sweet setup. Without the upgrades you are in about $460. Plus shipping and NICS. To me personally the time and energy invested is extremely enjoyably. Thanks, that is awesome information. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schrödinger's cat 87 Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Matroskin said: Thanks, that is awesome information. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Here ya go. This will take you to about $450. $249 and free shipping, it won't last long. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-9mm-nitride-1-10-15-keymod-railed-upper-with-hybrid-bcg-ch-516447197.html?trk_msg=TKL1K0SMC524VB1VE5PH8C9CVG&trk_contact=ARV8M4057L8SK9L0MD0JCSSBQ8&trk_sid=9BOJJMCRIGBOAR1G2I7E7QO96C&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fpalmettostatearmory.com%2fpsa-16-9mm-nitride-1-10-15-keymod-railed-upper-with-hybrid-bcg-ch-516447197.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=5%3a00+Email Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted November 9, 2017 Here ya go. This will take you to about $450. $249 and free shipping, it won't last long.http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-9mm-nitride-1-10-15-keymod-railed-upper-with-hybrid-bcg-ch-516447197.html?trk_msg=TKL1K0SMC524VB1VE5PH8C9CVG&trk_contact=ARV8M4057L8SK9L0MD0JCSSBQ8&trk_sid=9BOJJMCRIGBOAR1G2I7E7QO96C&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fpalmettostatearmory.com%2fpsa-16-9mm-nitride-1-10-15-keymod-railed-upper-with-hybrid-bcg-ch-516447197.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=5%3a00+EmailThanks, I guess with this upper I just need full glock compatible lower. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schrödinger's cat 87 Posted November 9, 2017 On the other hand... Kel Tec Gen 2 9mm $369+$20 S&H https://gunprime.com/product/kel-tec-sub-2000-gen-2-9mm-glock-19-mags-15rd-keltec/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted November 10, 2017 On the other hand... Kel Tec Gen 2 9mm $369+$20 S&Hhttps://gunprime.com/product/kel-tec-sub-2000-gen-2-9mm-glock-19-mags-15rd-keltec/Going to participate in indoor knockdown match this weekend. Will see and possibly try what people are shooting. Before pulling the trigger ( no pun intended). Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted February 21, 2018 4 months passed but I’m still on the fence. FWIW I saw people using everything between KRISS vector, kel-tec, and AR. I want an AR but I’m worried that it will become illegal in few months. I hate to throw out $500-600. Then there is a Ruger PCC but no LGS carries one yet. What would you do?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted February 21, 2018 Haven't considered the Beretta Cx4? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted February 21, 2018 Go with the Ruger. They'll be around shortly. Best bet against Gov. "Moonbeam". But no guarantee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted February 21, 2018 Haven't considered the Beretta Cx4?Yes, I did. But I wanted glock based ... well ideally CZ 75 based. So between Beretta and Glock I would go with Glock mags. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted February 21, 2018 Go with the Ruger. They'll be around shortly. Best bet against Gov. "Moonbeam". But no guarantee. This what my rational part of brain Is leaning towards, if we will be able legally keep AR in year or two I always can add more . It’s the annoying waiting for the new toy is killing my irrational part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MedicYeti 96 Posted February 22, 2018 I picked up a used Hi Point 9 Carbine for a great price a few years ago. The older, non tactical, stock version (the less ugly in my opinion). It’s a good shooter, fairly accurate, no malfunctions and fun. I also have an old Ruger PC4 (40 cal carbine which uses P944 magazines) this is also fun to shoot and accurate. Ruger just re-released their PC9 carbine and it takes Glock mags. I don’t know the mechanics of the new PC9 but the old PC9/PC4 are a little odd when it comes to reassembly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted February 22, 2018 Hi Point 10mm carbine just came out. Steve @remixer @ Monmouth Arms just got one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 22, 2018 On 2/21/2018 at 11:32 AM, Matroskin said: I want an AR but I’m worried that it will become illegal in few months. I hate to throw out $500-600. What would you do? Ruger or AR9 are your best options. Buy once cry once. Buy the guns you want, and don't be affraid of what jerk off might or might not do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted February 22, 2018 Ruger or AR9 are your best options. Buy once cry once. Buy the guns you want, and don't be affraid of what jerk off might or might not do.Agree on buy once approach, but if down the road I will need to dismantle my AR9, it would be money thrown away. The worst part of it, I won't be able to say I didn't see it coming. It's not a political but rather pragmatic approach to our reality. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Matroskin said: Agree on buy once approach, but if down the road I will need to dismantle my AR9, it would be money thrown away. Why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matroskin 29 Posted February 22, 2018 Why really? , I hate useless things, I don't need another safe queen. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Matroskin said: really? , I hate useless things, I don't need another safe queen. Why would a 9mm carbine be a safe queen? The rifles are cheap, the ammo is cheap and you can shoot them in pistol caliber ranges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites