Smart Gun Imminent?

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

I'm posting this under Bucket 3, just because I think it will be seen by more people. It could go under Rifles or NJ Gun Laws, but for better visibility, I felt here was better.

 

I have run across posts on several other forums that Anschutz has developed a rifle with "SmartGun" technology. That is a biometric firearm interface that will only allow the weapon to be used by those programmed to its memory. The inferrence is this is a marketable item - not just that they have built one. They are using technology developed by another German company (probably under license), so I doubt this is just a R&D exercise.

 

What are the ramifications? Horrible for gun owners in general, but particularly bad for New Jersey gun owners. Lest we forget, just like a sleeper cell, a past legislative body left us with the "SmartGun" bill. This is a law already on the books. Simply stated it gives the AG the discretion to prohibit all other gun sales once they feel a commercially viable smart gun is available. In other words, if this should actually become available, it could spell the end to the firearms trade as we currently know it - all that you could buy would be SmartGuns at their inflated prices with their sketchy technology.

 

I don't want to appear to be Chicken Little - hopefully all this Anschutz nonsense is just rumor, fueld by the Internet. But the Smartgun bill in NJ is very much a real thing and something we should, at a minimum, be aware of, but more beneficially, trying to get rid of, like the myriad of other useless firearms laws in this state. However, this needs to be given some priority.

 

Rumor or not, I wrote the following to Anschutz, via their website...

 

The various Internet firearms forums are rife with posts that Anschutz has developed, and will be selling "SmartGuns", defined as firearms with a biometric interface that will restrict use to those programmed to that particular firearm.

 

If these rumors are true, I, for one, will never purchase another Anschutz product. I believe that you will find similar sentiments throughout the USA. This possibility is particularly heinous to those of us living in the state of New Jersey (a state that already severely oppresses the rights of gunowners) because there is a law on the books that once a viable "smartgun" is developed for retail sale, all other weapon types will be prohibited for sale in this state. As a European company you may fail to grasp the importance of the 2nd amendment to the constitution, but we take it very seriously. This technology has no place in the weapons development field and would only result in the further infringement of our rights.

 

If you wish to send a similar pre-emptive letter, here's the link...

 

http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.ph ... &sprache=1

 

Thanks for listening.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[sirsloop 1]

I thought that technology already existed?? Maybe only in non-production?

 

Sounds like another nanny law... maybe people that have guns should do a better job securing them?

[Malsua 1,422]

Ugh, this would be very bad.

[Malsua 1,422]

I found a PDF about it.

 

I put it on my website.

 

http://thewellrats.com/malbor2/njgf/Asc ... rmatix.pdf

[Krdshrk 3,878]

Just like Paul Giamatti's gun in "Shoot 'Em Up"?

 

But..... NJIT has been developing the technology too...

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/0 ... velop.html

 

 

Stupid idea honestly.

[Malsua 1,422]

PIctures on the PDF.

 

Here's the text. Holy Crap! This would allow MASSIVE MASSIVE intervention by nanny statists. They would make up rules requiring that you keep the watch at ranges only, etc. This technology has to die.

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FROM NOW ON, THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT.

To meet the request

[Krdshrk 3,878]

I saw that. Why the heck would I want to wear a ginormous stupid looking wristwatch? It's something with RFID tagging I tink. Plus - I wear my watch on my LEFT arm (when I do wear a watch). I don't want to wear one on my right just so I can fire the thing...

[Z71 4]

okay ,here's a what if...

 

nj changed to shall issue only if ; ccw permits issued come with the stipulation that only smart guns be used.?.....

 

maybe the watch could be altered to a neck chain or key fob,

[Krdshrk 3,878]

It would cause all sorts of problems. Like home defense. Instead of diving for the safe and grabbing a pistol, you'd have to grab a pistol... and search for a watch... or key fob or something.

 

And how about selling them? You sell the watch too? What if it's a chip embedded in a keepsake?

 

Also - it's a piece of electronic equipment.... built into a firearm.... explosive device with moving parts.... there will be failures...

[kenw 293]

Not to mention that it sort of negates Concealed carry (as if such a thing exists in NJ). The big stupid thing on your wrist may as well be a honkin' big gun on your hip. They both announce that you have a gun on your person.

[Z71 4]

It would cause all sorts of problems. Like home defense. Instead of diving for the safe and grabbing a pistol, you'd have to grab a pistol... and search for a watch... or key fob or something.

 

And how about selling them? You sell the watch too? What if it's a chip embedded in a keepsake?

 

Also - it's a piece of electronic equipment.... built into a firearm.... explosive device with moving parts.... there will be failures...

 

my idea was for carry purposes only not HD or target use...if nj forced all non smart guns be surrendered; than yes, running to the safe would be a problem...I dont think selling a smart gun w/watch would be impossible, unless the owners DNA is locked in it ..it maybe harder to find someone with enough money to buy it...I'm no specialist but,..how often do laser target finders on guns fail? kinda the same thing (electronic)?

[LorenzoS 100]

Like most gee whiz technology intended to find easy solutions to complex problems, it's awesome except for the part about not actually working reliably. Ask anyone with a fingerprint swiper on their laptop (I had one for a while) about how bad these things can be.

 

Of course, it only tends to fail when your finger is too sweaty, or too dry, dirty, or if you didn't swipe it perfectly straight, too slow or too fast, or if it happens to be Tuesday. None of these would be much problem in an emergency defense situation.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Folks, you should realize that NJ's SmartGun law makes us all second class citizens yet again - that is: Law Enforcement is exempt from being forced to have/use SmartGuns. Guess the general populace's lives are less important than the LEO's. The reason for the exemption? They decried the possible unreliability of such a device, so OUR elected officials acquiesced and put the LE exemption in the law.

 

As someone pointed out, NJIT was working on this using massive funding from the state. How many of our tax dollars have been flushed down this rathole? They are working on a biometric interface that does not require a separate piece of apparatus (i.e a watch or ring). It is/was based on pressure points of the gripping hand and can recognize when the programmed user is gripping the gun. Never mind that wet or bloody hands can change that, or the use of the weak hand may be necessary due to an incapacitating injury to the strong hand. Or you are out of commission and someone else picks up your gun to save you/themselves - oops! Sorry, you are not a registered user....

 

This law will bite us in theass one day, and I'm afraid that if we don't do something about this soon, it may come to pass a lot sooner than we think.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[jeff47 30]

I think it's a great idea that will never function well enough to actually be 100% useful, hence the LE exemption. If I was LE I sure as hell wouldn't want to trust my life to this thing that 'should mostly' work and as only simple subjects, sucks to be us.

 

That and I'm sorry but everything that has been built to be 100% effective (as far as locking the gun out) always seems to be easily foiled with a toothpick or piece of chewing gum. Sony spent Millions (or was it tens of millions?) on their ultra super secret unbreakable CD copy protection and somebody found out that you could bypass it by running a sharpie around the outside edge of the disk all of 3 days after it was released. Oops!

[Guest]

Good luck!!!

 

I doubt this will become a reality. Making everyone buy an Anschutz rifle just because it has 'smart' technology is not even close to being legal.

Remember the supreme court? NJ will quickly be coming under lawsuit rapid fire. Chris Crispy better get his AG and NJSP in line. Very smart attorneys are reviewing cases. NJ law will come into compliance after these cases run their way through the courts.

Everyone had a chance to vote these bums in trenton out in Nov, but didnt, so we are stuck with them for another year.

[sirsloop 1]

You would think that ONLY LE should be subject to the law. Who else should be using a LEO's pistol??? NOBODY. Maybe everyone in the local squad can use everyones pistol, and that's it. There's no way my pistol should require a user to be registered before firing. Thats absurd.

[jermz1987 243]

You would think that ONLY LE should be subject to the law. Who else should be using a LEO's pistol??? NOBODY. Maybe everyone in the local squad can use everyones pistol, and that's it. There's no way my pistol should require a user to be registered before firing. Thats absurd.

 

 

Agreed. They aint putting that crap on my Glock. Its ugly enough as it is.

[KpdPipes 388]

Folks, you should realize that NJ's SmartGun law makes us all second class citizens yet again - that is: Law Enforcement is exempt from being forced to have/use SmartGuns. Guess the general populace's lives are less important than the LEO's. The reason for the exemption? They decried the possible unreliability of such a device, so OUR elected officials acquiesced and put the LE exemption in the law.

 

As someone pointed out, NJIT was working on this using massive funding from the state. How many of our tax dollars have been flushed down this rathole? They are working on a biometric interface that does not require a separate piece of apparatus (i.e a watch or ring). It is/was based on pressure points of the gripping hand and can recognize when the programmed user is gripping the gun. Never mind that wet or bloody hands can change that, or the use of the weak hand may be necessary due to an incapacitating injury to the strong hand. Or you are out of commission and someone else picks up your gun to save you/themselves - oops! Sorry, you are not a registered user....

 

This law will bite us in theass one day, and I'm afraid that if we don't do something about this soon, it may come to pass a lot sooner than we think.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Here's a News Flash... WE DIDNT FRIGGING ASK FOR IT. NOBODY botehres to check with the LE agencies before they decided on this for "Our Safety" Much like they try to couch the "New" AWB as some sort of nonsense "LE Safety Act". We DONT want it, we DONT need it, and WE HAVE NO CONTROL over the A$$HOLES in trenton using our name on their stipud Bills.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

KpdPipes:

 

Didn't mean my post as a slam against LEO's - You guys choose to put yourself in harms way, and I thank you for your service. I'm just saying that if it's not good enough for LE why should we (the general public) have it forced upon us. You guys probably have your rank & file unions to thank for the exemption. We are aware that the upper echelon of LE are usually political appointees and walk in lock-step with those that appoint them - this being a blue state, you figure it out. The patrolman's opinions are usually more closely aligned with those that have their head someplace other than up their a$$.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[KpdPipes 388]

KpdPipes:

 

Didn't mean my post as a slam against LEO's - You guys choose to put yourself in harms way, and I thank you for your service. I'm just saying that if it's not good enough for LE why should we (the general public) have it forced upon us. You guys probably have your rank & file unions to thank for the exemption. We are aware that the upper echelon of LE are usually political appointees and walk in lock-step with those that appoint them - this being a blue state, you figure it out. The patrolman's opinions are usually more closely aligned with those that have their head someplace other than up their a$$.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

No worries..when it first came out i had to listen to Know-it-alls talk about how every cop in the state screwed every other gun owner...and didnt want to bother understanding that much like Magazines and AW's, it ONLY exempted work guns. I seriously doubt you'll ever see it for one reason and one reason only. ANY company that chooses to make one of these monstrosities will probably Never EVER see a sale anywhere else in the country. S&W was partnered with NJIT when this crap started, at a time when they were owned by a British holding company. Once they changed ownership again, S&W pulled out of the research completely and made a statement that they had no interest in pursuing ANY technology of this type. About the only manufacturer i could see that MIGHT think about even entrtaining this would be HK....but i think they realize their Civ sales would dry up as well. No company can exist on LE/Govt Sales Alone.

[JimmyAGR 54]

Smart Gun technology should consist of being smart enough to load it, aim at the correct target and hit it. All this other crap is just that. Wait until it fails someone, they get killed and the lawsuits start.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Wolfy 51]

KdPipes I thought Taurus had signed on.

[KpdPipes 388]

KdPipes I thought Taurus had signed on.

they may have at the time the original law was being drafted, but AFAIK, there is no actual manufacturer working with NJIT on the "Jersey System"..that said i could also be wrong. I honestly can't see it because even the Dimmest Market guy would see that any manufacturer that did that Might sell guns HERE, but be a complete pariah in every state that doesnt have the law. If that is the case though, i'll never buy another Taurus again..too bad too, i like their SAA Clones.

[Joeybones 1]

My concern is anything electrical is subject to Electro Magnetic Pulse. I saw a TV show years back which demonstrated some new Military/Police weapons and one was and EMP machine. They showed how it disabled every electrical device in a home (which a bad guy was supposedly barricaded inside of).

 

If it were truly a good thing Police officers would want it to avoid being shot with their own gun in a gun grab situation.