lunker 274 Posted September 28, 2010 I was always under the impression that we could not have semi-auto shotguns in this state that had a pistol grip or that could hold more than six rounds. Below is an excerpt from the NJ Statute regarding assault weapons (with a link to the full law further down). The way I read it, it is OK to have one of the following evil features for a semi-auto shotgun: C. a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following: a folding or telescoping stock; a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and an ability to accept a detachable magazine. Does this mean I can have a pistol gripped semi-auto that has five or less rounds? Or a semi-auto without a pistol grip that holds more than five? The way I read it, the pistol grip would be no good on a Saiga 12, but it would be OK on a Remington 1100 that holds four. Link to statute: http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/assltf.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted September 28, 2010 I was always under the impression that we could not have semi-auto shotguns in this state that had a pistol grip or that could hold more than six rounds. Below is an excerpt from the NJ Statute regarding assault weapons (with a link to the full law further down). The way I read it, it is OK to have one of the following evil features for a semi-auto shotgun: C. a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following: a folding or telescoping stock; a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and an ability to accept a detachable magazine. Does this mean I can have a pistol gripped semi-auto that has five or less rounds? Or a semi-auto without a pistol grip that holds more than five? The way I read it, the pistol grip would be no good on a Saiga 12, but it would be OK on a Remington 1100 that holds four. Link to statute: http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/assltf.htm could you do a factory saiga with a giant drum! never mind the last line is two things.. high cap mag detachable mag.. right? edit two.. no wait you can have a factory saiga with a high cap mag? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted September 28, 2010 I was always under the impression that we could not have semi-auto shotguns in this state that had a pistol grip or that could hold more than six rounds. Your impression is correct Below is an excerpt from the NJ Statute regarding assault weapons (with a link to the full law further down). The way I read it, it is OK to have one of the following evil features for a semi-auto shotgun: C. a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following: a folding or telescoping stock; a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and an ability to accept a detachable magazine. Yes, that's what it says IN THE EXCERPT YOU QUOTED. Now go to the FULL statute (try here, bottom of 4th page: http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf) and **CONTINUE** reading past that point and you'll see another section that defines the following as an assault weapon: 3. A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a folding stock or a pistol grip; This means a semi with >6 capacity, a folding stock, or a pistol grip is an assault weapon. Not 2 out of the 3, ANY SINGLE ONE OF THE 3. Does this mean I can have a pistol gripped semi-auto that has five or less rounds? No Or a semi-auto without a pistol grip that holds more than five? Yes, limited to 6 in the magazine, one in the feeder/chamber (6+1). The way I read it, the pistol grip would be no good on a Saiga 12, but it would be OK on a Remington 1100 that holds four. Your source doesn't quote the WHOLE statute. Yes, it is very confusing to have a more "lenient" definition of an "assault weapon" semi-auto shotgun first, followed by a stricter one in a different section. Just another example of how hastily and poorly thought through NJ firearms legislation is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted September 28, 2010 Yet another NJ-Sucks. Thanks Dirty. For a little bit I had my hopes up for an FN SLP. Back to reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted September 28, 2010 In short, an assault weapon is: The 1990 law states: "A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a pistol grip, or a folding stock." The 1996 AG Guideline states: "a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following: 1. a folding or telescoping stock; 2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; 3. a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and 4. an ability to accept a detachable magazine." The law is the LAW, and the guideline is a GUIDELINE. In this instance, the guideline contradicts what the law says. AFAIK, no one has been prosecuted for violating a guideline. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobZ 0 Posted September 28, 2010 Yet another NJ-Sucks. Thanks Dirty. For a little bit I had my hopes up for an FN SLP. Back to reality. I have an FN SLP. You just have to get the 18" model. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted September 28, 2010 You just have to get the 18" model. This. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=192246020 <-- NJ Legal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrap 4 Posted September 28, 2010 I had this problem when I got the Mossberg 930 SPX. It was only a few weeks after getting my paperwork and I didn't know, and Dick's "didn't know" so I got a Mossberg 930 SPX from the Dick's across the river in PA, which comes factory with a Choate Machine and Tool +3 extension making it 7+1. (I got the conventional stock version because I heard about the pistol grip law but also, Mossberg's safety is much more accessible with a conventional stock). I called Choate and had them make me a +1 extension and then put their new extension, spring , and follower on and now it's 5+1. All good. But according to Mossberg I'm the only one in NJ with an SPX, I called and asked about the parts and they didn't actually believe me I had one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bry@n 195 Posted July 8, 2011 I had this problem when I got the Mossberg 930 SPX. It was only a few weeks after getting my paperwork and I didn't know, and Dick's "didn't know" so I got a Mossberg 930 SPX from the Dick's across the river in PA, which comes factory with a Choate Machine and Tool +3 extension making it 7+1. (I got the conventional stock version because I heard about the pistol grip law but also, Mossberg's safety is much more accessible with a conventional stock). I called Choate and had them make me a +1 extension and then put their new extension, spring , and follower on and now it's 5+1. All good. But according to Mossberg I'm the only one in NJ with an SPX, I called and asked about the parts and they didn't actually believe me I had one. Not true, I know one other person that has one It's a 4+1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntingPaper 62 Posted July 8, 2011 So if I have a semi (Remington 1100) with a 8 round magazine tube and regular stock it will be ok?It will be only one "evil feature". Which is the law it says that only 6 rounds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted July 9, 2011 So if I have a semi (Remington 1100) with a 8 round magazine tube and regular stock it will be ok?It will be only one "evil feature". Which is the law it says that only 6 rounds? Not ok - semi-auto is limited to 6+1. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/24378-is-insert-any-semi-automatic-rifle-legal-in-nj/page__view__findpost__p__320795 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Turtle 11 Posted February 9, 2012 this is retarded, so an ar can have a 15 round magazine, with a .50 cal upper and a pistol grip but a semi shotgun caneven have a pistol grip if i have a detachable magazine. why even buy a saiga 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted February 9, 2012 this is retarded, so an ar can have a 15 round magazine, with a .50 cal upper and a pistol grip but a semi shotgun caneven have a pistol grip if i have a detachable magazine. why even buy a saiga 12 No semi-auto shotguns can have a pistol grip, even with a conventional tube mag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Turtle 11 Posted February 9, 2012 Damn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
civictuner04 6 Posted February 9, 2012 saiga 12 are alot of fun even without a pistol grip and 20 round drum mags Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arbelest 29 Posted February 9, 2012 So if your not allowed by law to have a semi auto with a pistol grip, how come I was able (almost not enough money yet) to purchase an 870 police magnum pistol grip? Or am I misunderstanding the law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted February 9, 2012 870 is a pump shotgun... not semi-auto... you can pretty much do whatever you want with a pump shotgun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arbelest 29 Posted February 9, 2012 My appologies I was reading way to fast to comprehend that little detail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites