CC in NJ?

[DJNEB 1]

Are NJ residents now able to apply (and acquire) for a CC permit? A friend of mine has a 45 ACP handgun and showed me a concealed carry permit he now has. is this even possible? He said something about attending a safety class and now is able to carry concealed weapons? Anyone have any information on this? I know there was some talk about bringing CC to NJ but I never thought it would even happen.

[Caine 147]

You sure he showed you a NJ CC permit and not an out of state permit (i.e. Florida, utah, or arizona)

[papercutninja 24]

^ That's what i was thinking. If it ISN'T a NJ CCW permit, you need to advise your friend not to CCW in NJ and to ONLY do it in the states that have reciprocity with that particular permit.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Or, was he showing you his FPID? Highly doubtful it was a NJ CCW, unless he's an armored car driver/guard or armed security and, even then, they are restricted to your time on the job.

 

Hey, if it really was, then kudos to him, but you can color me a doubting Thomas.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[NicePants 58]

Are NJ residents now able to apply (and acquire) for a CC permit? A friend of mine has a 45 ACP handgun and showed me a concealed carry permit he now has. is this even possible? He said something about attending a safety class and now is able to carry concealed weapons? Anyone have any information on this? I know there was some talk about bringing CC to NJ but I never thought it would even happen.

 

It'd be pretty funny if it was only an FPID or a Non-resident Florida CCW, but I doubt he'd find it funny when they take away his gun and throw him in jail. The chances of him having an NJ CCW are about the same as me getting hit with a lightning bolt at this very moment and finding a crumpled lottery ticket worth a few million in my hand when I wake up. Okay, maybe not that bad, but the chances are still pretty freakin' high.

[gunguy1960 2]

perhaps he showed that silly piece of paper that says we have the right to keep and bear arms, oh wait, thats not recognized in new jersey, silly Americans!

[quikz 34]

A friend of mine obtained one a NJ-CCW as a firearms instructor. He completed a course at Ft. Dix and it was only for awhen "working" as a firearms instructor.

 

That is the ONLY person I know of who obtained one. Yet I think it was 'restricted' and even going to and fro as a firearms instructor that is job related but NOTHING else, he had to stow it like anybody would stow it (ammo separate, gun locked in trunk bs) etc.

 

Tell your friend to walk around in the mall with it open carry (since NJ doesn't distinguish between open & conceal carry) and let us know what the 'results' are.

[Rifleman1 32]

I understand there are only approx. 1,600 CCW permits issued for NJ's 8.7+ million residents.

[TheLugNutZ 21]

who are the 1600? Politicians and ppl that work it the court system i bet..

[diamondd817 827]

who are the 1600? Politicians and ppl that work it the court system i bet..

 

 

Armored car drivers, rich and famous (because their lives are more significant than yours), and Politicians buddies.

[Rifleman1 32]

Bodyguards...

[mcbethr 42]

Kind of makes me wonder if a police officer even knows what an NJ CCW permit even looks like.

 

Lets say that you were a valid CCW permit holder and a police officer asked to see it, and he didn't believe you.

 

My guess is that NJ's CCW permit probably looks a lot like our FID - typewritten with a Polaroid picture. Maybe laminated, maybe not.

 

When I first got my FID, years ago, I was shocked that it looked so... old and so easy to forge. You would think that they would throw a hologram on their or something... or at least make it wallet sized instead of *just slightly* bigger than a credit card.

 

Where are police departments even getting typewriter ribbons now?

[KpdPipes 388]

Kind of makes me wonder if a police officer even knows what an NJ CCW permit even looks like.

 

Lets say that you were a valid CCW permit holder and a police officer asked to see it, and he didn't believe you.

 

My guess is that NJ's CCW permit probably looks a lot like our FID - typewritten with a Polaroid picture. Maybe laminated, maybe not.

 

When I first got my FID, years ago, I was shocked that it looked so... old and so easy to forge. You would think that they would throw a hologram on their or something... or at least make it wallet sized instead of *just slightly* bigger than a credit card.

 

Where are police departments even getting typewriter ribbons now?

Brother still makes them for their Electric typewriters.

MOST of the move to technology for reports and stuff has been in the last 10-12 years McB. We were still using Royal MANUAL typewriters up until around 1992 or so, Then Electrics (WOOHOO) and didnt switch to Anything resembling Word processors until 1998-99. I still maintain that the only reason we DID switch is because the Ribbin-Ribbons were just too scarece That said we still have a couple of actual Typewriters squirreled away, along with 4-part reports for when the Computers STB. Although i won't go into what would happen on say a Friday night around midnight or so when the last Ribbon cartridge for the electrics ran out, and there was nobody from the Chief's Office around to get any out of the storeroom...they treated those damn things like they were made from gold. A lot of us went out and bought our own to keep in our briefcases.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

Brother still makes them for their Electric typewriters.

MOST of the move to technology for reports and stuff has been in the last 10-12 years McB. We were still using Royal MANUAL typewriters up until around 1992 or so, Then Electrics (WOOHOO) and didnt switch to Anything resembling Word processors until 1998-99. I still maintain that the only reason we DID switch is because the Ribbin-Ribbons were just too scarece That said we still have a couple of actual Typewriters squirreled away, along with 4-part reports for when the Computers STB. Although i won't go into what would happen on say a Friday night around midnight or so when the last Ribbon cartridge for the electrics ran out, and there was nobody from the Chief's Office around to get any out of the storeroom...they treated those damn things like they were made from gold. A lot of us went out and bought our own to keep in our briefcases.

 

Now tell them what you started with...

 

 

[joecs1 11]

Brother still makes them for their Electric typewriters.

MOST of the move to technology for reports and stuff has been in the last 10-12 years McB. We were still using Royal MANUAL typewriters up until around 1992 or so, Then Electrics (WOOHOO) and didnt switch to Anything resembling Word processors until 1998-99. I still maintain that the only reason we DID switch is because the Ribbin-Ribbons were just too scarece That said we still have a couple of actual Typewriters squirreled away, along with 4-part reports for when the Computers STB. Although i won't go into what would happen on say a Friday night around midnight or so when the last Ribbon cartridge for the electrics ran out, and there was nobody from the Chief's Office around to get any out of the storeroom...they treated those damn things like they were made from gold. A lot of us went out and bought our own to keep in our briefcases.

 

I have seen 1!!! They are white, plastic cards, very plain looking. Almost like a BJ's membership card! Digital picture on it as well!

[DevsAdvocate 112]

Armored car drivers, rich and famous (because their lives are more significant than yours), and Politicians buddies.

 

Usually those are one in the same... :senile:

[DevsAdvocate 112]

Kind of makes me wonder if a police officer even knows what an NJ CCW permit even looks like.

 

Lets say that you were a valid CCW permit holder and a police officer asked to see it, and he didn't believe you.

 

Good question... Most cops don't even know the ins and outs of NJ's firearms law to begin with, but they tend to err on the side of caution and would most-likely call it in to double check your CCW status. I'm sure when they do the background check to the NJSP you will have a little note on your file with your CCW info.

 

My guess is that NJ's CCW permit probably looks a lot like our FID - typewritten with a Polaroid picture. Maybe laminated, maybe not.

 

When I first got my FID, years ago, I was shocked that it looked so... old and so easy to forge. You would think that they would throw a hologram on their or something... or at least make it wallet sized instead of *just slightly* bigger than a credit card.

 

Where are police departments even getting typewriter ribbons now?

 

Only issue with forging an FPID is that you need a valid ID number to actually buy a gun using NICS (they keep track of that). Don't really see any usefulness out of doing that... Maybe buy handgun ammo in state (in lieu of jumping the border to PA)? Or fleece someone in a face-to-face transfer (where it's pretty much an honor system)? Though the last one would be really tough to pull off seeing as few people do FtFs without actually knowing the person they're transferring the firearm to.

[Midwest 28]

I found a NJ Carry Permit on the net in a Google search.

[MrSurfboard 1]

Kind of makes me wonder if a police officer even knows what an NJ CCW permit even looks like.

 

Lets say that you were a valid CCW permit holder and a police officer asked to see it, and he didn't believe you.

 

My guess is that NJ's CCW permit probably looks a lot like our FID - typewritten with a Polaroid picture. Maybe laminated, maybe not.

 

When I first got my FID, years ago, I was shocked that it looked so... old and so easy to forge. You would think that they would throw a hologram on their or something... or at least make it wallet sized instead of *just slightly* bigger than a credit card.

 

Where are police departments even getting typewriter ribbons now?

 

If one was presented to me, I would have no clue if it were valid or not. NJ might as well not even have CC.

[KpdPipes 388]

I found a NJ Carry Permit on the net in a Google search.

last one I saw was paper, similar to an FPID card, jsut with a picture and Employer's name on it...that's NOT to say they haven't changed since then. I'll be able to tell y'all for certain next September though

[mikelets456 78]

I found a NJ Carry Permit on the net in a Google search.

 

 

I am surprised the term "NJ carry permit" was [even] recognized by Google.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

last one I saw was paper, similar to an FPID card, jsut with a picture and Employer's name on it...that's NOT to say they haven't changed since then. I'll be able to tell y'all for certain next September though

 

So... if a cop questions someone on their CCWing... and looks at the permit, how much further do they tend to take it? Does a CCW stop require calling it in to confirm it? I mean, with the little to zero experience officers have with those permits, wouldn't they do so out of caution?

[KpdPipes 388]

So... if a cop questions someone on their CCWing... and looks at the permit, how much further do they tend to take it? Does a CCW stop require calling it in to confirm it? I mean, with the little to zero experience officers have with those permits, wouldn't they do so out of caution?

if that happens, then by definition they're doing it Wrong...However, personally I'd treat it like any other ID,, if you have DL and CP with matching Id's and info, that's fine. We really dont see many of them, which isnt surprising considering that the folks who do get them aren't running around attracting attention to themselves. hell the last one I had was on a Dead guy, working armed security that kicked it in his boss's office.

[PK90 3,570]

Here ya go. Not recent, but it is real.

 

[hd2000fxdl 422]

So... if a cop questions someone on their CCWing... and looks at the permit, how much further do they tend to take it? Does a CCW stop require calling it in to confirm it? I mean, with the little to zero experience officers have with those permits, wouldn't they do so out of caution?

 

I would expect in NJ that anytime someone in law enforcement encounters someone with a CCW would check on it unless there were other supporting documents that they were retired LEO's or the like. I am also not sure but I did hear that a depending on what state it is, that a license check in the state if issue and it will show that the person holds a CCW. Can't remember if that was only on a license check or plate check. Maybe KPD could shed a little light on this, being I read it on the Internet and we know how accurate that is.

[PK90 3,570]

I found a NJ Carry Permit on the net in a Google search.

 

I do not think the one you found is real. There is no distinction on open or concealed in the law, although there is for retired LEO. That permit is different also.

[KpdPipes 388]

Here ya go. Not recent, but it is real.

 

Ok, they didnt change it then..

[KpdPipes 388]

I would expect in NJ that anytime someone in law enforcement encounters someone with a CCW would check on it unless there were other supporting documents that they were retired LEO's or the like. I am also not sure but I did hear that a depending on what state it is, that a license check in the state if issue and it will show that the person holds a CCW. Can't remember if that was only on a license check or plate check. Maybe KPD could shed a little light on this, being I read it on the Internet and we know how accurate that is.

There are a couple of states that list CCW on yor DL lookup..Colorado comes to mind..NJ does not do so

[PK90 3,570]

NJ Retired LEO Carry Permit:

 

[GRIZ 3,369]

Midwest, there are other things on that Google search NJ Carry Permit that indicate its phony baloney. There's no place for the SBI # and its signed by the Sec of State who has nothing to do with carry permits.