NJ101.5 discussing 2A now!!

[deadeye74 5]

Get online or tune in! They are going to discuss 2A and it's leaning anti gun!

[deadeye74 5]

Ok so the lead in to the topic came across as anti but the first few calls and conversation sounded pro. Unfortunately I'm out of the car now and can't keep listening.

[ZOMBIE 19]

tried calling in but line was busy whole car ride in.... calls are trying to be pro but the host is trying to make all callers seem like gun nuts

[Duppie 73]

tried calling in but line was busy whole car ride in.... calls are trying to be pro but the host is trying to make all callers seem like gun nuts

The online poll attached to the station's website is overwhelmingly pro but probably not going to be mentioned,Jim is not much of a aficionado {mag called a clip} and conveniently "runs up against the clock" when a lucid pro gun caller finally gets through.

[PK90 3,570]

What a loaded question this is.

 

Does the Colorado movie theater shooting change your stance on gun control?

1. Yes, it has changed

2. No, it has not

3. Undecided

 

Yes. LESS CONTROL.

[BigHayden 77]

The online poll attached to the station's website is overwhelmingly pro but probably not going to be mentioned,Jim is not much of a aficionado {mag called a clip} and conveniently "runs up against the clock" when a lucid pro gun caller finally gets through.

 

To be fair, he "ran up against the clock" when a gun owner's butt (you know, "I'm a gun owner, but...") was on there too. This particular caller was unaware that the AWB expired 8 years ago and that magazines over 10 rounds were legal. He simply didn't see any reason people should have more than 10 rounds and that the ban didn't affect him because he was just a target shooter. Fudd, plain and simple, and he wasn't even a hunter.

[Duppie 73]

To be fair, he "ran up against the clock" when a gun owner's butt (you know, "I'm a gun owner, but...") was on there too. This particular caller was unaware that the AWB expired 8 years ago and that magazines over 10 rounds were legal. He simply didn't see any reason people should have more than 10 rounds and that the ban didn't affect him because he was just a target shooter. Fudd, plain and simple, and he wasn't even a hunter.

Yes, I thought it strange that 1: He didn't know that the assault rifle bill had expired and 2:He called it a "10 round clip".So in retrospect I retract the lucid description.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Figured there was little chance of getting through, or, even if I did, not enough time to make a point. So, I e-mailed the host of the show (Jim Gearhart). Won't do any good, but it brought my blood pressure down a few points. Here's the e-mail...

 

Jim:

 

I was surprised and disheartened to hear you promoting Lautenberg’s magazine capacity limiting proposal. While I hope the reason was simply to create controversy and stimulate the number of callers, I fear that you may have been drinking the New Jersey Kool-Aide for too long and truly believe what you are saying.

 

Are you aware that NJ already has a magazine capacity limitation? In NJ the mere possession of a magazine that exceeds a 15 round capacity is a felony. So what’s the answer? It was fifteen rounds. Now they say that we need a ten round limit. After the next tragedy, will that be reduced to five? How about three? What’s the magic number? The answer is there is none. Magazine capacity has little correlation to the number of shots fired in a given time span. I am a competitive shooter – unfortunately, not a very good one – I compete in the lowest rated class allowed under the rules of my sport. Part of the rules for the class in which I compete limit you to ten round magazines. I can draw from a holster, fire two rounds each on 15 separate targets (total of 30 rounds) while moving over a span of 30 – 40 feet. I can do this in less than 30 seconds, and as I said, I’m slow.

 

Magazine capacity has little to do with sparing lives and has everything to do with getting the elephant’s trunk into the tent. This is “feel-good”, sound-bite legislation that makes it look like our legislators are actually doing something.

 

I’d like to comment on several other things I heard you espouse this morning. You kept referring to “Assault Weapons” and parroting Lautenberg, why do we need them to shoot ducks, etc. First, an assault weapon is fully automatic – fires continuously with a single pull of the trigger – they have been strongly regulated since 1934, outlawed completely in New Jersey and must have been produced prior to 1986 for a private citizen to own (in free America), which has driven prices well into the five figure range.

 

What you (and Lautenberg) seem to think are assault weapons are nothing more than semi-automatic firearms (only one round fired with each pull of the trigger), that look like the military counterpart, but as far as function is concerned are no different that the Remington 7400 deer rifle or maybe your Remington 1100 shotgun that you use for duck hunting. So now they are trying to ban items based on their appearance – what would happen if they applied the same standard to people?

 

While we are on the subject of hunting, I don’t recall the second amendment saying anything about hunting. Please remember that when the second amendment was framed, we had just thrown off the yoke of a tyrannical British government, and were able to do so because of the private ownership of firearms. The second amendment was framed as a protection for “the people” against a tyrannical government. And before you start with the “militia” argument, the “militia” in colonial times consisted of every able-bodied male. It was not a formal, organized military unit. Beyond that, the Supreme Court has already ruled (the Heller decision) that the second amendment is an individual right, not a collective (militia) one.

 

Someone made the point about a well-trained armed citizen could have possibly ended the tragedy sooner and you were only too eager to jump on board the “well-trained” wagon. Allow me to disabuse you of that notion. In, I believe 2009, the “well-trained” NYC police department had a “hit ratio” (number of hits on target vs. number of rounds fired) of 23%. That, of course means that 77% of rounds fired missed the target with the potential to injure innocents. That same year in citizen involved shootings (there are now 40 states that have “shall-issue” concealed carry legislation on their books) the hit ratio for armed citizens in defense of their or other’s lives, was 68% - almost three times the rate of the NYC police department

 

To summarize: I am vehemently against:

• Know-nothing politicians passing ineffective legislation about things they neither understand or care about, that affects my ability to protect myself against any and all threats
  
• Passing legislation based on the way something looks
  
• Making political capital on the backs of victims of a tragedy (I find this one particularly abhorrent)
  

There was nothing that could have been done to prevent what happened in Colorado without grossly abridging personal freedoms. You keep talking about “trade-offs” – there can be no trade-off when it comes to personal liberty. I would point out the truism that when you trade liberty for security, you have neither. Sad, but the price of living in a free society is often a high one.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Smokin .50 1,907]

Good job Bob.

 

Too bad that the radio show is all about ratings, instead of facts. But is THAT really a surprise?????

[Shawnmoore81 623]

It's just another form of media. The idiots don't always have a camera in front of them. Sometimes it's a microphone.

[Duppie 73]

Another excellent letter and regrettably most likely ignored. Ironically Colorado fell almost to the day of the first anniversary of the Oslo shootings yet I hear no Media pundits pointing out the fact that Norway has one of the most stringent and regulated private gun ownership laws in Scandinavia. Yet Breivik was not only able to plan,buy for and execute his clearly demented plan but joined a shooting club with stringent interviews and background checks in order to do so.

The point being,firearms are tools and no matter how regulated,reviled or condemned they are, a person hell bent on bloodshed will find a way.

[Kingsoverqueens 10]

Bob, may I have permission to share your letter with (post on) another forum?

[NJdiverTony 27]

Pizza Bob... Good job with your letter! Very well written!

 

[bhunted 887]

Excellent letter!

 

 

Sent from John's iPad 2 via Tapatalk HD

Typos courtesy Apple...

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Bob, may I have permission to share your letter with (post on) another forum?

 

Be my guest

[PK90 3,570]

[RubberBullets 65]

[Shawnmoore81 623]

Go on the stations Facebook page and join the argument

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Go on the stations Facebook page and join the argument

 

If this was addressed to me - I am not, nor ever intend to be, a member of Facebook. This (and similar) forum is as "social networky" as I intend to get.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Shawnmoore81 623]

Goes to anyone

[njpilot 671]

Nice letter Bob. I have written Gearhart before and he has replied more than once. Hopefully he will respond to you.

[PeteF 1,044]

PB do you write for a living?

 

You should.

 

Applause.

[RubberBullets 65]

Doesnt even seem like a debate.. the super majority of posts go pro 2A. and that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[raz-0 1,259]

There was nothing that could have been done to prevent what happened in Colorado without grossly abridging personal freedoms. You keep talking about “trade-offs” – there can be no trade-off when it comes to personal liberty. I would point out the truism that when you trade liberty for security, you have neither. Sad, but the price of living in a free society is often a high one.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Hey there.. NOTHING? I may not have the most current version of the series of events, but the last one I've got has the bad guy going out and coming back in through a fire door. I'm pretty sure you could have the door alarmed with a buzzer and strobe and set to bring the house lights up if someone opens it. Stop using emergency exits as legit exits and attach some very attention getting warnings to them, and all of a sudden getting in and out with anything questionable is a lot harder.

 

Thinking about it, that's the least hassle for the biggest payoff in terms of making the target less attractive that I could think of.

[PK90 3,570]

Hey there.. NOTHING? I may not have the most current version of the series of events, but the last one I've got has the bad guy going out and coming back in through a fire door. I'm pretty sure you could have the door alarmed with a buzzer and strobe and set to bring the house lights up if someone opens it. Stop using emergency exits as legit exits and attach some very attention getting warnings to them, and all of a sudden getting in and out with anything questionable is a lot harder.

 

Thinking about it, that's the least hassle for the biggest payoff in terms of making the target less attractive that I could think of.

 

And how would strobe lights and buzzers have stopped it.

[voyager9 3,434]

And how would strobe lights and buzzers have stopped it.

If the movie had stopped and the lights had come on the second this guy walked OUT the exist door then I'm sure there would not have been as much confusion when he re-entered as he did.. if only because his initial actions would not have been obscured by the dark room and movie. There is also a higher chance someone would notice his attire and the firearms the moment he came back through the door and get people moving a little quicker.

Similarly if the door was wired to the security desk it would get those guys moving a little quicker.. not sure what they'd be able to do in this situation, but it would improve awareness.

 

Would it have stopped it? Probably not. Could it have reduced the number of people hurt/killed? Probably.

[PK90 3,570]

Pizza Bob said "There was nothing that could have been done to prevent what happened in Colorado without grossly abridging personal freedoms."

 

I agree

 

raz-0 said "Hey there.. NOTHING? ....... I'm pretty sure you could have the door alarmed with a buzzer and strobe and set to bring the house lights up if someone opens it."

 

Thereby alluding that that would have STOPPED IT, not reduced it as you have stated.

[woodentoe 14]

And how would strobe lights and buzzers have stopped it.

 

Yeah, I'm not seeing how that would have helped. He would have known about the alarms and could have staged his gear right outside the door instead of in his car, pop the gas and pull his shit on quick. Certainly the gunfire and screams would have drowned out the door alarm.

 

Crazy people doing crazy things. We're talking about a guy who wired his apartment with incendiary devices set, and set his cranked up stereo to an alarm clock so it would turn on just as he was going to hit the theater. Noise complaint goes in and the first person (neighbor or cop) who opened his unlocked door, dies in a spectacular explosion. The department gets divided between the calls and he has fewer cops to deal with at the theater.

 

These are the thought processes of a twisted mind. He would have found a way to DO what he WANTED to do because the only thing anyone could POSSIBLY do is STOP HIM by force...or just let him shoot and shoot until he got tired of killing people (which is what happened)

 

70 people were wounded in this shooting. I'm hearing a lot of people talk about CCW wouldn't have helped here. Too hard to engage. Too many collateral targets. If, of the audience in that theater, 5 or 10 of them were carrying concealed firearms for protection, someone could have at least made a stand against him (probably at their own peril)...but maybe long enough to slow him for the 90 seconds it took for SWAT to arrive.

 

All of this is back-benching, though.

 

seriously. buzzers.

[NJScott 15]

Posted this in another thread accidentally: 101.5's Dominsky and Doyle will be addressing the Aurora shooting and "Lautenmummy's (that's what they referred to him as) latest anti-2A proposal on their show at 2PM.

[Duppie 73]

"The department gets divided between the calls and he has fewer cops to deal with at the theater" sounds familiar?

I would not be the least bit surprised to eventually read that there were several searches on Norway and Breivik on his laptop.